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    Ridgerunner: -longer- dogbones, anyone?

    Getting to the point: If I'm going to lengthen my RR dogbones for increased stability, where should I start? 3"? 6"? 12"? Where will I start to actually notice a difference? I have some amsteel to work with but don't want to waste it making changes that won't show a difference.

    More detail/backstory: Hey all, long time lurker/ first time poster, I searched around a bit and didn't find a thread on this one, please direct me to it if one exists. Here's what I have going on: I'm a 6'2", 245#, reasonably wide-shouldered dude who prefers side/belly sleeping. I've been exploring the figurative and literal "tipping point" of decreasing my hang angle to create a flatter lay in my WB RR without ending up rolling out of it at 3AM. I totally understand the reasons why so many people are going in the other direction and shortening their dogbones, and that the thought of lengthening them would be anathema to most folks here. BUT, I'm wondering if anybody has lengthened them in an effort to decrease their bridge hammock's tippyness. Even up in the mountains of southern Idaho there isn't too much rain, so I'm less concerned than most about full closure of my tarp doors around the hammock's suspension. I also don't sweat tree distance too much, I stick to heavily wooded areas so if these two trees are too close I just move a few feet to a different pair. I also understand how decreasing hang angle increases forces on the system: I'll be using 1/8" amsteel instead of 7/64" and have stuck with the standard spreader poles in spite of how much I'd love the weight savings from a pair of Ruta Locura's CF poles.

    Thanks;

    Ike
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    Ike208, Welcome to the forum. In your research, you might have come across failures in shortening the dogbones - adding so much more stress on the spreader bars that they break. One of my friends reduced the tip issue by shortening the apex-to-apex (where the dogbones come together) distance from the recommended 13 ft to 12 ft and added a ridgeline (outside the bug net) to give that 12 ft. separation.

    Have you considered just adding some "stability guylines" to hold the RR steady? Their placement would be a bit of a challenge because you wouldn't want them at the separation pole connection point because any pull there would release the pole from its holder.
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    My guess is, a little goes a long way. You could experiment by adding extensions to the existing dog bones before splicing the final length. If you have two pairs of whoopie slings, you could try these first as well.

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    It looks like the weather may hold (cold but not rainy/snowy) so I'm going to try for one last "pre snow" trip of the year. So:

    @cougarmeat: the "tagline" idea was one that I've been mulling over but haven't ever pulled the trigger. I'm going to pack some utility line and hardware to see if I can rig something effective that isn't also overly annoying.

    @hutzelbein: the whoopie sling idea is FANTASTIC. I've stripped the pairs off both our XLCs and will take them with me.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike208 View Post
    Getting to the point: If I'm going to lengthen my RR dogbones for increased stability, where should I start? 3"? 6"? 12"? Where will I start to actually notice a difference? I have some amsteel to work with but don't want to waste it making changes that won't show a difference.

    Ike
    You can add a structural ridge line. I added one to mine to get a more consistent hang angle from one set up to the next. I found that the lower the hang angle the flatter the lay but, as you found, the "tippier" the RR felt. My ridge line is set so that I get about 79" between the tips of the spreader bars. As you decrease the distance (by shortening the ridge line) it should add stability but I found that the additional sag added too much curvature for my back. So, now I sleep in a sort of half back half side position or fully on my back. You might also want to try an air pad (if you have a dual layer RR). I got a flatter lay but the pad caused me to sweat to much.

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    SO, here's how the weekend went. I didn't have a chance to try Cougarmeat's tagline suggestion but will try that one as soon as possible. I did have a chance to try Hutzlebein's idea of using four whoopie slings as the dogbones and decided "go big or go home" and ended up with a set of 62" dogbones! The one pic attached shows the setup and the flat lay I ended up with. It was definitely plush, much less tippy than the previous night's sleep with standard dogbones.

    The downside, obviously, was going to be in end coverage on my 12' tarp with doors, as shown here. I knew this was going to be an issue, and it sure is. But, again, for the weather I generally deal with (knock wood) heavy or sideways rain usually isn't an issue. I've also been thinking about a Mountain/Thunderfly, the "beaks instead of doors" setup of those tarps would eliminate the rubbing between the doors and dogbones.

    SO, what's next, beyond the tagline idea... My thoughts are centered around building and installing dogbone "extenders" to my stock dogbones that I could remove when bad weather was expected. I also would only gain a couple of ounces by just leaving the system as it is in the pictures, and just walk around with four whoopie slings instead of dogbones! This does, however, seem to chip away at a bridge hammock's ease of setup, which is one of the great things about them. WVWanderer's idea of a structural ridgeline will also merit some fiddling and testing.

    I'll keep fiddling and will post here "for posterity" if anything interesting comes up. Thank you again to all who helped out!

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    Ike208 - do try the standard length dogbones with a 12 ft separation instead of the WB suggestion of 13 ft. The 12 ft separation will fit better with your 12ft tarp and having the apex ends closer will reduce the tippiness. It works for one friend. it does change the "tightness" of the lie, but that might feel just fine for you.
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