“I think that when the lies are all told and forgot the truth will be there yet. It dont move about from place to place and it dont change from time to time. You cant corrupt it any more than you can salt salt.” - Cormac McCarthy
I dunno about Ultralight packing but, I do know about bad knees. I use Cho-Pats. They help so much I don't even know a word big enough to describe so! I tried hiking once without them and regretted it! When I use them I have NO knee problems whatsoever, which makes me feel like the Bionic Woman or something. *I had to mention that since they are remaking the series! SO EXCITED!*
I wonder if he is using a single water proof pack liner, to make sure the bag and pad stay dry? I may have to call him back and ask him that. I also wonder who makes a super light weight but water proof pack liner? Or maybe a heavy duty garbage bag would do? Or, maybe just a good old fashioned pack cover would do. Whichever would be lightest, I suppose.
I read somewhere, maybe on WB.net that trash compactor bags are very durable and also fairly light. I'm going to give that a shot next weekend when I go out to the Gorge. I think that I'll take the advice and put the hammock and sleeping bag in the trash bag along with spare clothing and then pack everything else around it. I'll put the tarp in one of the outside mesh pockets for ease of access, etc.
Since Tom is doing it this way (sort of) I feel like I'll be in good company!!
Hammock Engineer told me he uses Sea to Summit dry sacks. 1 for his Hammock,underquilt etc. 1 for his food, 1 for his other goods, and a mesh sack for his tarp, raingear, and any wet clothes. He says he hasn't had any problems with anything getting wet. he also mentioned he slides everything in the middle of his sleeping pad, inside his pack, and it adds a protective barrier. I am going to try this method. They may be extra weight but, I trust in dry sacks. At least OR and Sea to Summit dry sacks. MHO
i use several of the sea to summit dry sacks & like them.
& i have to echo the cautions about having a system that will keep your critical gear dry.
when you hike for miles & hours in the rain, well... water is amazing stuff w/ capillary action & stuff.
it can find it's way into places you wouldn't have thunk
don`t leave the CREATOR out of the creation!
So, I read this thread and after realizing that you can pack your sleeping bag inside your hammock into one bag, I let out with a loud, "Duh!" and ran down into my basement to try it out.
I managed to cram everything into a very tight 7x17 REI compression sack. The result is a very tight football. I also tried my 8x19 REI compression sack which was easier to pack and likely to squish as needed in the pack.
1) Is it better to have a slightly larger but squishier bundle so that it better conforms to the bottom of the pack? I'm using a Granite Gear Nimbus Latitude. My guess is yes. I can really smash things into the smaller sack but I'm guessing, ultimately, I'll waste more space by leaving air gaps in the pack.
2) Is there any chance the bottom of the hammock will get wet even with a large tarp such as the Hennessy poly fly? Let me rephrase that. I'm sure, with enough wind and rain, the bottom of the supershelter (sil-nylon) can get wet. Is packing the hammock with the sleeping bag ultimately a bad idea in case that happens? Is it better to use two separate bags and keep the sleeping bag away from the possibly wet hammock? I haven't been out in too many rainstorms and none of them were severe enough to test the system adequately.
i'd say that question 1 is a yes... let it conform.
question 2 seems a little more uncertain, but i would lean in the direction of using the tarp & supper shelter to keep the hammock protected from blowing rain. then you wouldn't need to be concerned about getting the insulation wet.
if by chance the hammock did get wet enough to concern you in a real bad storm, & you had an unused trash bag tucked away, you could pack the quilt in that until the hammock dried.
don`t leave the CREATOR out of the creation!
Never had a problem with this. One of my trips last fall it rained all day and everything stayed dry. I keep the tarp in skins in the outside pocket. The HD trash bag is probably more waterproof than most stuff sacks. Packing the bag loosely in the trash bag and allowing it to conform to the other items helps keep thing where you put them. The bag almost seems vacuum packed when I pull it out at camp.Bag and hammock into one trash bag? Does that work good to keep things dry?