Hello and some technical info for you

**slowhike** · 08-24-2007, 21:25

Originally Posted by warbonnetguy

hey slowhike,
do you find the air mat to be more comfy in a tight and narrow hammock than a loose wide one, or about the same in both?

i haven't tried it in a wide hammock. i would suspect it would feel about the same, but i can imagine that it would be more work staying on the mat in a wider hammock since there's more room for the mat to get out from under you.
a narrow, tightly stretched hammock forms a trough that keeps the air mat in place.
but the wider hammock, hung w/ more sag would be more conforming & comfortable w/o the mat than the narrow one w/o the mat.

**warbonnetguy** · 08-24-2007, 23:28

i just made a 1.1 oz double layer eno style hammock. it's the first double layer i've tried. it's almost 65" wide. a ba air core does want to move a little bit, but the ccf stays pretty put. The fact that it is sandwiched between 2 layers seems to keep the pad more put than in a wide single layer. i can see how less sag, and thus less degree of diagonal would make the pad more stable too

i really like how the double layer makes any pad much less noticeable too.

**slowhike** · 08-25-2007, 10:02

i've not tried a double layer yet, but have often thought about it.
that's an interesting note that the air core can still move around some in between the 2 layers.

i've also put some thought into making a hammock that has a built-in SPE. it would be sewn along the edges like a double hammock, but instead of going the full length, the SPE would only be as long as the maker decided.
for winter it could be full body length.

**warbonnetguy** · 08-25-2007, 10:22

it doesn't move much, seems to move only when the user moves around on top of it, this actually could be me not putting it in the right spot to begin with though, and me moving around to slightly diff positions. it does seem pretty tight between the layers, so maybe it's just my imagination, i only tried it for a few mins. it's so marrow though, if it's not perfect, one side of you hangs off.

you should try one though, a double layer of 1.1 is only a smidge heavier than a single 1.9, and probably about the same as 1.9 w/built in spe.

it really does make the pads feel alot less noticable. the best comfort came from a wide ccf with acute triangles removed at the hips, i could barely feel the pad, and you are free to slide around on the nylon, rather than being stuck to the ccf

Originally Posted by slowhike

i've not tried a double layer yet, but have often thought about it.
that's an interesting note that the air core can still move around some in between the 2 layers.

i've also put some thought into making a hammock that has a built-in SPE. it would be sewn along the edges like a double hammock, but instead of going the full length, the SPE would only be as long as the maker decided.
for winter it could be full body length.

**oetzi** · 08-26-2007, 07:16

Originally Posted by warbonnetguy

hey, just curious, what is the 1st #, the one that comes before the kn#?

?,#kn

Its the diameter in Millimeter. 25,4mm = 1"
Writing 4mm is lazy mans way of writing 4,0mm, when you mean 4.0mm.
Sorry for the confusion.
Staying with the topic of loads, has anyone ever experinced a snapping rope when lying in a Hammock?

**warbonnetguy** · 08-26-2007, 12:01

broke 1.5-2mm spectra/dyneema @ knott with a bit of bouncing

Originally Posted by oetzi

Its the diameter in Millimeter. 25,4mm = 1"
Writing 4mm is lazy mans way of writing 4,0mm, when you mean 4.0mm.
Sorry for the confusion.
Staying with the topic of loads, has anyone ever experinced a snapping rope when lying in a Hammock?

**warbonnetguy** · 08-26-2007, 12:16

still confused,
4,1kn=4mm,1kn
5,8kn=5mm,8kn
i get that, what about
6mm(9,7kn)
is 6mm indeed rated to 9.7kn?

i've never seen kn ratings with decimal places before. on biners and slings, and climbing rope, and harnesses, and nuts, cams, etc., its always 22k or 25k or whatever, i've never looked at ratings for accessory cord before though. maybe they use decimals on the micro nuts too?

Originally Posted by oetzi

Hello Folks.

A standard static rope (called "Reepschnur") with a diameter of 5mm holds a STATIC!!!!!! load of ca 5,8kN.
So for myself I would be on the safe side with this and if I were a weightweenie would even consider 4mm with 4,1KN.
The customers get a recommendation of 6mm (9,7KN) or better 7-8mm (12,8-14,8KN).

**Anderz** · 08-26-2007, 19:48

Unless I misunderstand you, you misunderstand the iceman...

4,1kn=4mm,1kn No, 4100 Newton
5,8kn=5mm,8kn No, 5800 Newton
i get that, what about 6mm(9,7kn)
is 6mm indeed rated to 9.7kn? That I don't know...

**T-BACK** · 08-27-2007, 07:54

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Staying with the topic of loads, has anyone ever experinced a snapping rope when lying in a Hammock?[/QUOTE]

I've never snapped a rope, even the cheap, braided poly rope I used for a long time. I have however, been dropped when a strap failed on me once. I believe this was due to my sewing technique and/or using a sewing needle with a burr on it which weakened the strap. BTW welcome to the group!

**oetzi** · 08-28-2007, 13:49

Originally Posted by warbonnetguy

still confused,
4,1kn=4mm,1kn
5,8kn=5mm,8kn
i get that, what about
6mm(9,7kn)
is 6mm indeed rated to 9.7kn?

i've never seen kn ratings with decimal places before. on biners and slings, and climbing rope, and harnesses, and nuts, cams, etc., its always 22k or 25k or whatever, i've never looked at ratings for accessory cord before though. maybe they use decimals on the micro nuts too?

When I collected the data I took the numbers from the manufacturers catalogue The increase in strenght is not in direct proportion to the diameter.
http://www.edelrid.de/index.php?id_lang=0000002
Download the cataloque in english and on page 17 are "powerlock" ropes to which I refer.