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    wow, y'all have been busy. alot has happened in 4 days.

    dutch, did you ever test the large 9 to failure?
    WBG I was wondering what happened to you. I think the destruction of perfectly good 9s will be happening soon.
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    DIY Hell day.

    Well, I was up with the sun and ready for a day of major DIY. I was able to pick up some 1/4"x 6" aluminum to attempt the Figure-T's. I also had the foresight to pickup some 3/4" plastic plate for another project in enough quantity that I could make a plastic version of the Figure T just for proof of concept.

    The plastic is great to work with. Cuts like butter, easily shaped, and drilled. It is also worth noting that even in 3/4" thick versions, they weighed less than aluminum.

    Well after a couple hours in the garage. The results are in. .... Its just no good. I made 2 plastic and 1 aluminum version and all had the same results. The webbing simply would not hold without a safety hitch. Also my figure T's weighed in way higher than I was hoping for at nearly 3 oz. Since I simply will not accept anything less than a no-knot solution .... it was back to the drawing board.

    So I was nursing my sore hands, and in a pretty bad mood, just brooding over it all.... and I got to playing with the original fig 9 just idly. I just can't seem to find anything lighter and better than what it already is. If only there was some way to incorporate an adjustable treehugger to the stock fig 9....


    lightbulb.....


    several more hours later. here is the result:

    1. Sewing the 1" webbing through the eye of the large Fig 9. I hate sewing. I would rather work with metals any day. But it is a very necessary evil. It held anyways. Also in picture a BPL ursa mini biner and a mini Fig 9.

    2. Coffee can is simulating a tree trunk. Thread the webbing around the tree and through the Fig 9 once.

    3.Slide the mini biner and mini Fig 9 onto the webbing making sure the biner is upside down and the gate is pointing towards the tree. (this is wisdom aquired the hard way ) It will flip around on its own when you tighten it.

    4.Bring the running end of the webbing back through the large Fig 9 again.

    5. Pull on the running end of the webbing to tighten the mini biner
    snugly against the Fig 9. Voila. Done. you now have an adjustable treehugger that won't slip, and an attachment point using the mini fig 9 for your tarp lines.

    6. Moment of truth .... will I land on my butt... Everything is pulled away from the tree in photo for a better view of
    the entire system. In reality you would want it nice and tight to the bark.

    7.Sweet .... Sweet ..... Success! The chain smoking neighbours having already watched me fall flat on my butt several times today with the Figure-T prototypes... give me the thumbs up. I bounce lightly a few times and then heavily ..... its rock solid. No slip on the webbing or the spectra. To loosen the whole rig you simply grap the mini biner and pull it away from the eye of the
    Large Fig 9. It starts to loosen up away from the tree immediately.
    Finally... I have a system that merits further tinkering. This has big potential ...its real close to a personal 'perfect pitch'.
    I think make some more tonight.

    8. Okay ... and I still have lots of materials now if I want to go ahead
    with more metal versions from this thread.
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    Turk I'm lovin it. And you incorperated the mini figure 9 for the tarp. When I get large 9s tomarrow I'll do some lifting at work. What hammock did you use. It looks like there is alot of sag. Do you think it will do well if you had to pitch it really tight like a bridge. It looks like the large 9 will pull more staight. Although I don't think it will mess anything up. One more question, how long and wide are your huggers, because that would be a limit if you couldn't hang on large trees.
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    My huggers are 1" wide x 48" long. I am thinking of cutting them down.
    They are 1/2 the width and 2" longer than stock HH expedition asym huggers.

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    Interesting stuff Turk.
    I'm a little confused why your original didn't work.
    By the picture I don't see how the biner is holding the webbing.
    Won't it just come out?

    I like the direction of cinching the webbing.
    I think a cinch buckle (like we've been using) could be used to cinch the webbing and a gizmo or 9 could be attached at the webbing/buckle.
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    Figure 9 with cinch buckle

    Here's a mock up done on the bed post
    Or course we could sub out the 9 with a piece that will slide over the webbing and have two holes for the hammock line.
    Making them holes would allow us to keep it attached.
    I might make one tonight....
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    ya, i've got this idea dialed in now for the kill. I can skip the mini biner
    entirely and sub in any old stick found on the ground. I am also going to
    make a modified Figure 9 based on a model that was presented pages ago
    in this thread. It should be the perfect system. I won't get going on it
    until the morning. Here is my rough drawing of the design. Pics of it in
    action to follow tomorrow.


    What I have in mind should solve all of the remaining problems with this setup,
    provide greater strength and maintain the same weight as todays rig.

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    Nice 'rough' sketch Turk

    If I take weight and simplicity into account, using the buckle like I just presented doesn't make much sense.
    I'd rather use a biner (same weight as the buckle) and just clasp it on the webbing. The free end of the webbing would have the attachment sewn on. In this case your new sketch would work.
    Although, I'm starting to like the idea of using holes so the hammock can remain attached to the webbing.
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    sounds like fun. i'm anxious to hear what happens.

    i had to go out of town for work, as i will next week too. no internet access at the motel 6



    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    WBG I was wondering what happened to you. I think the destruction of perfectly good 9s will be happening soon.

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    pretty cool turk, interesting idea turning the nine into a webbing buckle.

    what advantage does that have over just having a sewn loop on each end of the webbing and threading one loop through the other making a larks head cinched around the tree and attaching the device to that?

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