JRB No Sniveller

**Just Jeff** · 05-05-2010, 07:46

My approach exactly, amac. Never on the trail, and careful in camp.

**BillyBob58** · 05-05-2010, 08:10

Originally Posted by Just Jeff

I just read on the thru-hiker.com forums and it looks like the Whitney is 1.5" single layer loft in the torso. Still pretty cheap and light compared to the Torre, but not 3.5" as listed on the Whitney Kit page.

I'll only do the halfbag if I can get a jacket baffled to 2" or so...which I can't find. These are Colorado winters!

What about a layer or two of IX added to the inside of the outer shell of that Whitney? Hmmmm.

EDIT: Actually, sorry, a bit of a hijack by me. The subject is No Sniveler replacing down jacket, so.....

**wisenber** · 05-05-2010, 08:40

Originally Posted by BillyBob58

What about a layer or two of IX added to the inside of the outer shell of that Whitney? Hmmmm.

More references to the magic of IX. I'd love to hear some field reports after a few months of use. Right now it seems to be applied to everything. It will be nice to see it shake out a bit.

**Dutch** · 05-05-2010, 08:46

I don't use it often around camp but darn glad when i have. I usually can get by with just my rain gear. But I never bring my fleece anymore unless it is really going to get cold. I always have the NS as a backup. Only time it is inconvienent is when I stop for lunch. I'm not gong to break out my quilt for that. But that just means I start trekking again.

**wisenber** · 05-05-2010, 09:02

Originally Posted by Dutch

I don't use it often around camp but darn glad when i have. I usually can get by with just my rain gear. But I never bring my fleece anymore unless it is really going to get cold. I always have the NS as a backup. Only time it is inconvienent is when I stop for lunch. I'm not gong to break out my quilt for that. But that just means I start trekking again.

I hear that. You run out of space to have items easily accessible in your pack. First aid, rain gear, trail snacks..SOMETHING has to go at the bottom of the pack.

**BillyBob58** · 05-05-2010, 09:30

Originally Posted by wisenber

More references to the magic of IX. I'd love to hear some field reports after a few months of use. Right now it seems to be applied to everything. It will be nice to see it shake out a bit.

Still definitely (yet) to be determined for me. Useful for the weight, I really think so. The question is how useful, especially considering the air gap that is apparently required. But, since it only weighs .4 oz/sq yard, and has some unknown amount of insulation and wind/water resistance, the occasional layer used to boost a No Sniveler or down jacket may grow in popularity. Or even use by itself.

**Roadtorque** · 05-05-2010, 09:34

Not having worn a wearable quilt from the jacks I keep asking myself if the omni tape on my neck would not dive me crazy. Any comments on this?
Furthermore, what are you all using to insulate your arms? I see the quilt only covers partway down your arms.

**wisenber** · 05-05-2010, 09:39

Originally Posted by Roadtorque

Not having worn a wearable quilt from the jacks I keep asking myself if the omni tape on my neck would not dive me crazy. Any comments on this?
Furthermore, what are you all using to insulate your arms? I see the quilt only covers partway down your arms.

A neck gaiter or some sort of collar will fix the omni tape issue if it bugs you.
JRB sells down sleeves and hoods as well if you think that you'll need them. The sleeves make a good foot warmer or pillow in your hammock as well. The hood will boost your sleeping warmth quite a bit. That being said, I don't have the sleeves or hood. I do have a BPL hood though.

**BillyBob58** · 05-05-2010, 09:54

Originally Posted by wisenber

I hear that. You run out of space to have items easily accessible in your pack. First aid, rain gear, trail snacks..SOMETHING has to go at the bottom of the pack.

And there be the glory of the MMP, eh mate? A No Sniv strapped on in it's own little stuff sack, available for quick deployment as a jacket to be used at lunch break. Or at least stuffed at the top of whatever (dry?) sack is used for down items. Never done it, but it seems reasonable.

I have always been very intrigued by the wearable Top quilt approach, leaving a jacket behind. But I take an alternative approach, because I already used this approach before I knew about No Snivs and such. What I have always done is take light weight hooded puffy jacket and pants, for sitting around camp. Then I take a lighter quilt, and wear the jacket and pants to bed. So you can use your quilt as your jacket. Or, you can use your jacket/pants as part of your quilt.

A perfect example of the above was me using a PeaPod into the 20s without any additional TQ. Even though the hammock caused some gap on top, my jacket and vest draped over me did the job.

I suspect the wearable quilt might be a slightly lighter approach, but hard to say for sure. And then there is the "sleep naked(or nearly so)" group. Layering (worn)clothing in the quilt might not work for them.

**ikemouser** · 05-05-2010, 10:11

In 0F i've been comfy sleeping in a thermawrap, icbreaker 260's top and bottom, and a no sniv top and bottom with balaclava and gloves. HIking in this temp i am fine with a thermawrap, baselayers, and balaclava and gloves. sitting in camp i just layer my no sniv over my thermawrap. WHat hte no sniv really needs is draw string closures on the sleeve, much of the heat esacapes through the massive sleeve gaps. I amgonna solve this problem tonight.