What's your take on Spyderline?

**Graybeard** · 05-05-2010, 13:21

Whether "slippery" is good or bad depends on what you're trying to do at the moment. If you're trying to carry a heavy load with a very simple knot then it may not hold. But if you're trying to untie a very simple knot that has been carrying a very heavy load without slipping because it's not slippery, then you've got your work cut out for you. I regularly hang with a single line of 7/64" AmSteel tied off with a slippery half-hitch with a toggle through the loop. It holds because I take three turns around a ring before tying off. The three wraps take so much of the load that there's hardly any left for the half-hitch. UNtying take about two seconds no matter how long I've hung.

**gargoyle** · 05-05-2010, 13:23

Jaydweight, knots in any of the new hi-tech ropes, like amsteel or dynaglide, are not the best way to go. Splicing is a much better way to go.
Knots make the rope weaker. Point blank.
Avoid knots, if possible. Learn to splice, or buy it premade.
my 2 cents

**jaydweight** · 05-05-2010, 14:02

Originally Posted by gargoyle

Jaydweight, knots in any of the new hi-tech ropes, like amsteel or dynaglide, are not the best way to go. Splicing is a much better way to go.
Knots make the rope weaker. Point blank.
Avoid knots, if possible. Learn to splice, or buy it premade.
my 2 cents

Would it be difficult to use a larkshead with amsteel and a ring buckle support system?

**Harpo63** · 05-05-2010, 15:50

A larkshead connecting the amsteel loop to the hammock ends is the standard connection. (Help me out guys...) A ring buckle works better with webbing than rope... most people seem to be going the whoopie sling route with amsteel. Paul sells some, as do several vendors here. If you hit www.whoopieslings.com, you will see plenty of images of how they work and look.

**GrizzlyAdams** · 05-05-2010, 15:53

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Whether "slippery" is good or bad depends on what you're trying to do at the moment. If you're trying to carry a heavy load with a very simple knot then it may not hold. But if you're trying to untie a very simple knot that has been carrying a very heavy load without slipping because it's not slippery, then you've got your work cut out for you. I regularly hang with a single line of 7/64" AmSteel tied off with a slippery half-hitch with a toggle through the loop. It holds because I take three turns around a ring before tying off. The three wraps take so much of the load that there's hardly any left for the half-hitch. UNtying take about two seconds no matter how long I've hung.

Let us attend! The gray one speaks wisdom.

Me I use another bight in place of the toggle. Leaving less trace <grin>

**jaydweight** · 05-05-2010, 16:00

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Whether "slippery" is good or bad depends on what you're trying to do at the moment. If you're trying to carry a heavy load with a very simple knot then it may not hold. But if you're trying to untie a very simple knot that has been carrying a very heavy load without slipping because it's not slippery, then you've got your work cut out for you. I regularly hang with a single line of 7/64" AmSteel tied off with a slippery half-hitch with a toggle through the loop. It holds because I take three turns around a ring before tying off. The three wraps take so much of the load that there's hardly any left for the half-hitch. UNtying take about two seconds no matter how long I've hung.

Enlighten me; I don't understand the 'three turns around a ring'... Do you have any pics for me?

**GrizzlyAdams** · 05-05-2010, 16:29

Originally Posted by jaydweight

Enlighten me; I don't understand the 'three turns around a ring'... Do you have any pics for me?

While this is not exactly what the wise one of gray suggests, it is close. Sometimes called a "full turn" while in fact is is more like a turn and a half.
In the ball park.

To do what graybeard does, go once more around the ring, put in the slippery half hitch, slip in a toggle and tighten. I use a bight instead. They have more sticks to spare in Vermont.

btw, as you will readily tell, this video was made for someone whose BMBH I modified as a means of instruction for hanging it. She's on the AT now...go Moss!