I'm on a 7 hour Amtrak ride. I decided to use the time to make some Nacrabiners for friends. The 84 year old lad sitting across from me finally asked what I was making. I explained it to her and I offered to help her make one. Sh ook me up on the offer. She is excited to get off the train and show her gandson what she made. Her grandson is a scoumaster for a Boyscout troop. What a cool granny!