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    One more hammock-to-strap knot

    I don't like all this hooks, rings, all this metal stuff. I'd rather tie and untie my hammock every time. I used to hang it on the marlinspike hitch, but I just (re-)invented this and I want to share.
    I'm something like 250 pounds and the knot was holding my weight like it should, and it was still easy to undo the knot afterwards. Both cord and strap are made of slippery polyester.

    Two things:
    All I can say it started as a seriously messed up sheet bend-like thing. I assume I'm not the first inventor. Do you know how this knot is called?
    If you will try, please give me some feedback or thoughts on this knot - was it working for you?



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    It looks like a backwards slipped becket hitch, which is a sheet bend tied onto a becket, or a loop. I say backwards in the sense that the roles of the working end and the (slippery) tail in the video are reversed compared to the usual knot -- the slippery tail exits the bight where the working end usually does, etc. I'd like to know more about how secure the knot is compared to the original.
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    Thanks
    Slippery becket knot is little bit harder to tie, but at first glance it looks a little bit more secure (and you can tie it tighter - with less slack left - than my version). I guess if my version will not work in some strange circumstances, I'll do the slippery becket-oriented knot instead. Or try one at foot end ant the other at the head. There is about to rain here, so I won't test it in the field right away :/ .
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    Luke, I'm pretty sure the regular sheet bend / becket hitch is more secure, but your variation may be good enough in the right circumstances. In the attached picture I used your version with my tree strap. It's the rightmost knot. It held well enough that I'll try it for a while in this configuration. It's also an "exploding knot", I think, in that pulling out the slippery tail makes the whole knot fall apart. That would be handy for rapid disconnect from the tree in my case. We'll see how it works out. Thanks for posting your idea!

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    Luke, I've done some hanging with your knot and I think I really like it with my tree straps. Easy to set up, and tear down is very fast.

    I think two things make the knot work -- you're tying it to a loop, and you're using the webbing for the crossover part of the knot. Usually with a sheet bend the smaller line wraps around and crosses a bight in the larger line.

    The knot might still be somewhat insecure if it gets tossed around a lot, say if the wind blows your hammock around when you're not in it. I would also use it only with a loop and not with just a bight.

    Thanks again for the idea!
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    Yes, I must agree - this knot is really easy to undo (explode) and this may cause some problems. I guess the best way to tighten the knot is to sit in the hammock once when it is set up to make it really tight, and put a backpack, or just anything inside that will hold the knots from rattling. When the free piece of strap is very long and heavy, this may really cause some accidents.

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    Seems to me that knot is just begging for a toggle to be inserted in the end of the eye along with the slippery bitter end. That might make it more secure when tied with rope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Q_x View Post
    Yes, I must agree - this knot is really easy to undo (explode) and this may cause some problems. I guess the best way to tighten the knot is to sit in the hammock once when it is set up to make it really tight, and put a backpack, or just anything inside that will hold the knots from rattling. When the free piece of strap is very long and heavy, this may really cause some accidents.
    Watch out for those kids playing pranks. Explode your butt straight to the ground.

    Thanks for the vid

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacEntyre View Post
    Seems to me that knot is just begging for a toggle to be inserted in the end of the eye along with the slippery bitter end. That might make it more secure when tied with rope.
    Slick idea! Gotta remember that one.
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    Frawg, the inserted toggle works well with sheet bends and bowlines, too.

    It's a towboater's trick. Towing makes knife knots, so we kept a few logs laying around to use as toggles.
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