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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsaults View Post
    Thanks for the great links. As I gather , I cannot go wrong with 21X diameter. And that is probably Samson's testing for "CYA" reliability.

    Maybe I will test it at 10X and 5X just to see what happens..............

    And to think, I had never even heard of Amsteel before I found this forum!

    Jim
    It's really 22 times diameter and Samson is following industry standard which has been used for many, many years. Since sailing ships I think, but at least as long as braided rope has been around..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsaults View Post
    Thanks for the great links. As I gather , I cannot go wrong with 21X diameter. And that is probably Samson's testing for "CYA" reliability.

    Maybe I will test it at 10X and 5X just to see what happens..............

    And to think, I had never even heard of Amsteel before I found this forum!

    Jim
    For your 5x test on 7/64" Amsteel your bury would only be about half an inch long. Please test this thoroughly before testing it with your own weight.
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    When using splicing instructions make sure they're the ones for Class 2 line, like Old Gringo suggests. These types of lines need longer buries than "normal" Class I line.
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    22 x .109375(7/64")= 2.40625" So are you saying I only need a 2.5" bury? Is this for a loop or a whoopie?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredFeet View Post
    It's really 22 times diameter and Samson is following industry standard which has been used for many, many years. Since sailing ships I think, but at least as long as braided rope has been around..
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    Hooch said it best...bury it 8-10 inches, and your good.

    That being said it'll take out any mathematical equations.
    Allow for what size eye you want, mark out 8-10 inches, splice, skip an inch or two, and backsplice your adjustable side the same.

    I've hung on less bury length, but that is me. 8"-10" is safe and solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gargoyle View Post
    Hooch said it best...bury it 8-10 inches, and your good.

    That being said it'll take out any mathematical equations.
    Allow for what size eye you want, mark out 8-10 inches, splice, skip an inch or two, and backsplice your adjustable side the same.

    I've hung on less bury length, but that is me. 8"-10" is safe and solid.
    It seems I'm not the only one using a calibrated eyeball.
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    A little disclosure here.....

    I ordered 1/4" Amsteel from Redden Marine. I was looking for "Bombproof for Big Guy" system. Didn't realize that it was so LARGE. Complete overkill. Should have ordered 3/16:.

    22X of 1/4" is not quite 6".

    My hypothesis: "Considering the surface area of the fibers in contact, a larger size Amsteel will need a shorter bury than a small size. "

    As for testing, I have enough to do some destructive tests at work. I have access to two ton overhead hoists, so I was considering lifting a kanown weight with a constructed splice. I was NOT going to commit mu tailbone to the cause!

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    Given the applications that hammockers use Amsteel for, 1/4" is big time overkill. Even for a pretty big hanger, I think that 1/8" is more than sufficient. I'm pretty steadily losing weight, thanks to diet change, good workouts and my trainer, and 1/8" is more than enough to hold me. I use it to be on the safe side for now, but may be going a size down with the Amsteel sometime soon.
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    Yeah, I know 1/4" is overkill

    but I now am the proud owner of a hank of overkill. And as my application is for canoe camping and maybe a bit of bicycle touring the grams are not the thing foremost on my mind.

    Green Clark + red Amsteel = Ho Ho Ho!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgringo View Post
    It seems I'm not the only one using a calibrated eyeball.
    Last night I made 6 whoopies (I got my Amsteel in and couldn't wait lol). I use the eyeball it method.

    I messed up a little last night and got one of the eye buries short (About 6 inches).

    I figured "What the heck, I'm going to throw a couple stitches in it anyway, I'll risk my butt and see how well it holds pre stitching." I hooked it up to my pathfinder, the other end to the lawnmower, gave it some slack and let 'er rip.

    I had left the Pathfinder in park in park just to test holding power of the short bury under heavy and sudden shock loads. BAM!!!!!! Pathfinder lurches backward and the front wheels of the John Deer Lawn tractor snap up into the air.

    That bury didn't move and inch. Now I'm not say shorten your buries to 6". I'm just saying under a snap load between a fairly large lawn tractor and a Nissan Pathfinder it held, it held strong, it surprised and scared me at the same time. The wild eyes shortly graduated to one of big smiles. That stuff is amazing. With a stitch or two placed in the bury, I will have no fears hanging with it.

    I have a wire needle I made for making whoopies with 7/64 Amsteel, one end is looped and squished down to feed through the hollow core, the other end has a loop for my finger wrapped in electrical tape. The body of it is exactly 11" long. Consistently I can get 10" buries with the eyeball method..
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