Pros and cons of marlinspike/toggles

[Shug]

I just plain like them plus it is fun to tie the MS .... feel like I am doing something out there!!!!
Shug

[desmobob]

The only real problem I have with a set-up requiring a toggle, is it consists of parts. Parts and me are soon parted, based on history. So I guess that's the "con"; parts.

My toggles have a little loop of line in one end. I girth hitch the loop through the loop in the end of my tree strap (the end that's just hanging down toward the ground). To lose my toggles, I'd have to lose my tree straps!




Happy napping,
desmobob

[Cannibal]

Good solution.

[WV]

I try to include one in every suspension setup because I frequently have quite a bit of tension on the lines and need a quick-release mechanism. The ability to pull the spike and take down quickly is essential if I've pulled a whoopie tight, and i can't unfasten a carabiner or nacrabiner.

The other principal advantage is that it lets me adjust the length of tree straps easily.

The main disadvantage is the possibility of a whoopie loop slipping off an angled toggle. Hitches in polyester webbing often set the toggle at an angle, not perpendicular to the suspension. I should put sliders (solomon bars, beads, or whipping knots) on all my whoopies. Haven't done it yet.

If I leave a toggle attached loosely enough to slide it along the strap to where I want to make the marlinspike hitch, it's also loose enough to slide off the end. Has happened.

For me, the pros outweigh the cons.

[beep]

RE: whoopie slings slipping "off" the MSH with toggle

Thanks to seeing another of Grizz's clever solutions, I have copied his idea and now have some whipping over the loop end of my whoopie slings that can act like a slider. When I'm done adjusting the whoopie sling length, I slide the whipping up to the MSH. It reduces the possibility of slippage to virtually zero. I'll post some pics later.

[Buffalo Skipper]

RE: whoopie slings slipping "off" the MSH with toggle

Thanks to seeing another of Grizz's clever solutions, I have copied his idea and now have some whipping over the loop end of my whoopie slings that can act like a slider. When I'm done adjusting the whoopie sling length, I slide the whipping up to the MSH. It reduces the possibility of slippage to virtually zero. I'll post some pics later.

How about posting those pics sooner rather than later. I imagine I am not the only one here who wants a visual on that....

My toggles have a little loop of line in one end. I girth hitch the loop through the loop in the end of my tree strap (the end that's just hanging down toward the ground). To lose my toggles, I'd have to lose my tree straps!

I have just turned some 4" toggles. One in paduak and the other in purpleheart and as others suggested elsewhere, I drilled a small hole and put a leather toggle through them (pictures forthcoming). I wasn't sure where to attach the toggles, but I guess this answers that for me.

[WV]

My toggles have a little loop of line in one end. I girth hitch the loop through the loop in the end of my tree strap (the end that's just hanging down toward the ground). To lose my toggles, I'd have to lose my tree straps!


Happy napping,
desmobob

Hmmm. Why didn't I think of that? Thanks.

[G.L.P.]

i used a MSH in the past...but now i use Dutch Biners...
but i still use the MSH on my backup hammock yet

Pro's - very easy knot to make,you can use a stick from the ground so there is no extra weight to carry,just fun to do

Con's - your UCR or whoopie can slip off (don't ask ) ,you eed longer tree huggersn then you would need with DB's


either way is good ...but i like the" Just Click " of the Dutch Biners

[Dudorino]

I use them with Woopies on my HH. They look just like the ones being pictured previously. Like Shug says, "On the knot, not on the toggle."

I got a WBBB in the late summer and really dig the web suspension with the new triangle rings. I use the famous Dutch Clips stitches in instead of a biner. There are no loose parts to keep track of when setting up or taking down in the dark.

I like both suspensions, but I have to admit, the toggles are fun to use.

[beep]

Here's a blurry photo (sorry!) of my Grizz-inspired solution to keeping my whoopie slings firmly anchored to the MSH toggles. I used Speer No-tangle to make some whipping that is tight enough to stay but loose enough to slide. The whipping method is called Solomon Bar.

You can also see that I looped the toggle keepers through the sewn loops on the tree strap to make sure the toggles stay with the straps.