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    Tree Straps when using a Whoopie - why a biner at all?

    So I'm using a whoopie system on my RedBird.

    My question is why would I use a biner at all? I just wrap the tree strap around the tree, the lose end through the hole in the strap, then make my marlin spike hitch out of the lose end.

    Why even use the biner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counselor View Post
    So I'm using a whoopie system on my RedBird.

    My question is why would I use a biner at all? I just wrap the tree strap around the tree, the lose end through the hole in the strap, then make my marlin spike hitch out of the lose end.

    Why even use the biner?
    That's what I do. I've considered using Dutch Clips just for convenience but haven't made the leap.
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    well as an outsider to the whole question I think the reason for the biner is to keep all the parts together - no toggle to misplace and when you take down the hammock all the parts are still connected with the possible exception of the soft shackle

    One question that I have for folks using a biner - why not make a whoppie sling with a descender ring already threaded through the loop then attach the tree strap to the ring using a girth hitch?

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    If the webbing is short then it is not as much effort to feed the end through the end loop. If you have long webbing or if the suspension is always connected to the hammock then a biner or a dutch clip makes life easier.

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    Chafe.

    Running line (or webbing) through a webbing loop exposes the webbing loop to chafe. A 'biner reduces chafing on the webbing and the hammock line.

    The habit probably comes from rock climbers who rightly go to extraordinary lengths to prevent undue wear on protection or concentrating wear on isolated portions of rope.

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    Dutch Biner is useful if you want to disconnect the wet or tree sapped suspension for separate packing from your hammock (and UQ if you leave it attached).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beep View Post
    That's what I do. I've considered using Dutch Clips just for convenience but haven't made the leap.
    Only reason i use one. I used to have an insanely light setup, and still do. But i added 2 dutch clips and a small tiny tiny biner to my tarp ridgeline. This saved me several good minutes of setup. Now its all done very very fast and my baseweight is still around 10lbs in the summer 11lbs in the winter. Its all about lightweight first, ease close second. If its a small difference, ease first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_pan View Post
    Dutch Biner is useful if you want to disconnect the wet or tree sapped suspension for separate packing from your hammock (and UQ if you leave it attached).

    Pan
    Yep, that's what I do. Just ordered Dutch clips too so I don't have to thread the tree strap with attached whoopie sling through the loop on the other end.

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    Dutch clips or carabiners, etc are totally un-necessary if using the Marlin Spike Hitch and whoopies.

    They don't really make things any faster, but they do add weight.

    Also, there is absolutely no reason to pull the webbing through the end loop. Not all of it anyway. Just pull a short bight, say 6" to 12". Tie your marlin spike hitch on the bight and hang the whoopie on it.

    Now you say it is quicker to clip a carabiner than it is to pull the bight through.

    Yes, but it takes a lot longer to unclip the carabiner than it takes to pull the bight out. So, in my experience, the total time is actually about the same or longer with the carabiner.

    Now if you have a full webbing suspension, then the carabiner or dutch clip or JRB triglide is probably needed.

    TeeDee and I had been getting disillusioned with the weight and bulk of the full webbing suspension after using one for some months. The final blow came when we had a trip that the trees had a lot of sap running down them and the sap got on the hammocks when we packed up in the mornings. We liked the idea of having the suspension and tree hugger as one piece, but the tree sap was really too grungy to stay with that method. Lying in a hammock with tree sap on it and getting sticky was not pleasant.

    Just our experience.

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    I just plain like my Dutch Clips......
    I have gone with and without. For me ..... the DC.
    No science to it for me .... I met Dutch and he made me laugh.
    Done deal.
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