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    Knots for ring buckle system?

    The last time I went winter camping I fell on my butt twice from the ring buckles loosening up. I'm curious as to what knots work the best to stop the webbing from sliding. Usually I just tie like three half hitches and that seems to work... most of the time.

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    I think a simple slip knot works best. Bring the webbing around itself, make a blight and bring it back through the opening. I've been using it with no slipping and it sounds like it's what the rest of us are tying. I think three half hitches are overkill and there is something else wrong if you are still having failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowhike View Post
    good idea. i get a slow slip in cold weather. a knot will help.

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    Slipknot here; I like the band too! Doesn't add more than a few seconds to set-up and easy to remember. If your butt hits the ground...you forgot.
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    Slowhike,
    That's the knot that my son and I both use and it has never allowed the straps to slip. Very easy to tie and untie and works every time.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by dallas View Post
    Slowhike,
    That's the knot that my son and I both use and it has never allowed the straps to slip. Very easy to tie and untie and works every time.
    John
    yeah, as long as i remember to do it, there's never a problem.
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    If you hafta tie a knot anyway why not just use a loop of webbing or cord and save the weight of the cinch rings? A knot is a knot wether it is sround a cinch ring or cord loop right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogn8r View Post
    If you hafta tie a knot anyway why not just use a loop of webbing or cord and save the weight of the cinch rings? A knot is a knot wether it is sround a cinch ring or cord loop right?
    i don't know. i was just thinking that because the ring buckles do most of the holding, there's less bunching of the webbing & the load is spread out over a little larger area.
    therefore easier on the webbing.

    also, if that same simple knot were tied, say onto a webbing or cord loop, would it hold w/o slipping?
    and i would think if it did, it would be locked down much tighter, putting more stress on the knot area, as opposed to the knot just serving as a stopper knot after most of the holding work is done by the buckles.

    but i'm open to hearing other ideas.
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    Here is why I ask:
    I was thinking about trying the cinch buckle attachment, just because so many people use it and like it. Right now I use, mostly, the four wrap knot; or any of several other knots, sometimes the figure eight lash, sometimes a simple slip knot like you have shown here. It depends on the situation as to what I use.

    So I was going to try the cinch buckle to see how well it works, but if you need to tie a knot in it as well I will just stay with what I have.

    The weakness in a knot comes from the turns it makes causing unequal loading of the fibers. Since a smaller amount of fibers carry the load the breaking strength is reduced. By using buckles you still have turns, just like a knot, so I think it would be the same as using a knot; at least that is what I am looking at anyway. So the advantage to using the buckles is ease of set up and, I thought, no knots to tie (not that I mind tieing knots mind you).

    So if it takes you one minute to set up and me three minutes to set up, I am cool with that, because my system is less complicated (fewer parts = fewer failure points) and lighter.

    Alas, it is too late, I have already ordered the rings. So I guess I will hafta play with it anyway when they arrive.

    The only advantage I can see with the cinch buckles is a quicker set up. Is that right?

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