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    WBBB 1.7 DL - Knee pain

    Took my WBBB out this weekend... Only the third time I've used it.

    Noticed on the first night that the material between the hammock and footbox is very tight and creates pain in my knees when I'm lying on my back. I tried experimenting with the hang (head lower, etc.) but nothing seemed to fix it.

    Does anyone know how to fix this...

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    first thing i'd recommend playing with is the ridgeline length. if it was really tight then try loosening it, or visa versa.

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    I agree with Wags. I have less of a ridge with more slack in my RL.
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    I had the same problem + cramps + hurting heels when I started sleeping in hammocks. Just place a pillow or some extra clothes/gear under your knees and you should be fine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9sTAkzBlM

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    Never had the problem in a WB, had it a couple of times in an HH.
    The above posters are leading you in the right direction...dial in the lay by adjusting the length of the ridgeline + dont be afraid to use the entire width of the blackbird in assuming the asym lay. I've seen some think they are asym but not really-get that head far over and the feet too.
    Forgot something important....the whoopee type adjustable ridgeline is a real bonus in that once you get the best lay for you then dial in the adjustable ridgeline-then every time you set up you are there.

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    I use a pillow at home, yes mine is a DIY but it's a hammock, knee pain is generally over extended knee. Doesn't take much to give you a little bend in your knees and you'll be comfortable again.
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    Hang it with more sag in the ridgeline.
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    Texashanger, did you have calf pressure or knee pain caused by hyper-extended knees?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlazeAway View Post
    I had the same problem + cramps + hurting heels when I started sleeping in hammocks. Just place a pillow or some extra clothes/gear under your knees and you should be fine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9sTAkzBlM
    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineMan View Post
    Never had the problem in a WB, had it a couple of times in an HH.
    The above posters are leading you in the right direction...dial in the lay by adjusting the length of the ridgeline + dont be afraid to use the entire width of the blackbird in assuming the asym lay. I've seen some think they are asym but not really-get that head far over and the feet too.
    Forgot something important....the whoopee type adjustable ridgeline is a real bonus in that once you get the best lay for you then dial in the adjustable ridgeline-then every time you set up you are there.

    I have about decided hammocks are kind of like a pair of shoes, personal fit is everything. I have had very little of that problem with my HH ( longer Explorer UL) and even less with a Speer 8.5, I have had it quite a bit with my BB 1.7 dbl. I love everything else about that BB, but it is NOT the winner in that category. Posts from others here show that I am not the only one who feels that way. That said, let me point out that at least one time- think it was when bdbart was at my house checking out WBBB, PeaPod and Mac pack etc - I laid in the BB and had ZERO calf pressure. I never figured out what I did different that time as far as RL or positioning.

    But WBBB or some other gathered end (GE) hammock, the cure for me is- as others already said- is something cushy under my knees.

    What is your weight? Do you need the 1.7 dbl? It has been reported by some who have used different BBs that a single layer 1.1 and maybe a dbl layer 1,1 or single 1.7 do not have this issue. My Speer is single layer 1.9 and is the closest to zero calf pressure of my GE hammocks except possibly my HH Safari, followed by my HH Explorer UL. All single layer. Is there a pattern here? However, my Claytor No Net is also pretty good in this area and is dbl layer, so ......... Are lighter fabrics the answer? Relative to body weight? I don't know the dbl layer Claytor fabric, but it is rated for less weight than the Claytor Jungle. It might be that stretchier is actually a plus as far as leg comfort, depending on a persons weight.

    But in the meantime you have a dbl 1.7 and a problem. If the RL experiments and/or knee pillow don't solve the problem ( probably will), or you just don't want to fool with a leg pillow, the a JRB BMBH (bridge type) might be something you should try. There are pros and cons with this approach, but I have never felt even a moment of leg discomfort in that hammock regardless of how I am positioned or how tight or loose I pull a RL. Good luck!
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    BillyBob...

    The pain was mostly because the crease that joins the footbox to the hammock seemed to be very tight in almost any position of the hammock. This created a tight seam so basically my calves were laying on the seam. I guess, in thinking about it, the pain was because my knees were hyper extended to the back and side a bit...

    With respect to my size I'm about 200lbs so I'm a bit nervous about the 1.1...

    Does this help...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texashanger View Post
    BillyBob...

    The pain was mostly because the crease that joins the footbox to the hammock seemed to be very tight in almost any position of the hammock. This created a tight seam so basically my calves were laying on the seam. I guess, in thinking about it, the pain was because my knees were hyper extended to the back and side a bit...

    With respect to my size I'm about 200lbs so I'm a bit nervous about the 1.1...

    Does this help...?
    Yes it does help! Actually, it sounds to me like you are talking mainly about the dreaded gathered end hammock calf pressure, which some of us have more trouble with than others for sure. Me, for one. Although, you could certainly be having trouble with both at the same time. The calf pressure is caused by the tight center crease that I think you are describing. You might as well have a steel rod laying there, cause when the weight of your leg presses your calf into it, it will cause a very annoying, not to be ignored, pressure/pain in the calf.

    Is the pain mostly in your left calf? If so it is a pressure point caused by the crease pressing into your calf.

    Knee pain is more caused by the banana curve of the hammock(still a very slight amount of that even on the diagonal with most gathered end hammocks) causing your knees to be without enough support, allowing them to bend in the wrong direction. Calf pressure gets my attention very quickly, this other tends to be noticed more through the night with the better hammocks, if at all.

    Cure for both( at least for me) is identical, a small pillow/sack under your knees to support them. This also raises your calf enough to negate pressure. You may have to experiment to see what makes the most comfy item to put there. Even a leg pad helps a fair bit. As well as, for many folks, experiments with RL length and/or how tight you hang your hammock.

    Your weight would be supported with ease with a single layer 1.7 or a dbl layer 1.1, but I have no way to know if either of those would solve the problem. I have heard that the 1.1 single does, but you need more than that.
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
    Romans 8:18,21-22

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