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    Toggle?

    Does size of the toggle make a difference? I have some old carbon fiber arrows laying around and I am think about cutting a few up to make toggles with.

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    Doesn't matter really, as long as it is strong enough to take the compression. I have used some old aluminum arrow shafts as toggles.
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    I still like a carabiner.

    I find carabiners work just great, as long as you use them right.

    First, do not think you can just clip your strap to one end of the carabiner and then connect your whoopie right to the opposite end of the biner. I actually did this with a biner rated to 150 lbs and in the morning the only reason I wasn't on the ground is because my sling got caught up on the gate tooth. The biner went from the shape of a 'D' to the shape of a shallow rainbow.

    You need to think of the flat side of the biner as the toggle. The whoopie is then binding against the strap. If you play with it you'll see how it works (or look around the forums here for where it came up before). The link below will show you what it looks like.

    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/a...2&d=1297867983

    I actually then clip the whoopie line inside the biner (probably makes no difference, but it makes me feel more secure somehow).

    I like this method because;

    1. You don't have to wreck a perfectly good arrow.
    2. You can hang a little stuff off the biner.
    3. Biners are readily available
    4. You now have two emergency biners in case something goes wrong with other gear.
    5. In some cases you can hook your tarp line to your biner keeping it from shifting around as much.
    Last edited by Hangandy; 04-24-2011 at 23:34.

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    Be careful to inspect the carbon fiber toggles if you use them. I had a pair and went back to a thicker fiberglass. The carbon arrow shafts have really thin sidewalls and they cracked under compression. They never "Failed" but with the cracks I didn't want to use them. Cheers.

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    Mine are around 2 1/2" long.
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    Interesting ideas here. I guess I have never thought of using one of those small biners as the toggle. I am going to have to try that tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    Mine are around 2 1/2" long.
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    Same here.

    Quote Originally Posted by morticianfaller View Post
    Interesting ideas here. I guess I have never thought of using one of those small biners as the toggle. I am going to have to try that tonight.
    I wouldn't think they'd be rated for weight bearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxHiker View Post
    I wouldn't think they'd be rated for weight bearing.
    Used as a toggle in a marlin-spike-hitch, they aren't bearing the weight. The whoopie (or whatever loop) sits over the knot of the MSH and the toggle is only handling the compression force of the knot. The weight is being loaded on the strap itself.
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    Biners seem up for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxHiker View Post
    Same here.


    I wouldn't think they'd be rated for weight bearing.
    I actually think they would be better rated than anything hollow core. Lots of people just use a trail stick. In fact, I now use a smaller biner because it makes it easier to get small loops over.

    I do like the looks of Shug's toggle (don't remember which vid). It looked like some kind of white plastic. Where did you get yours Shug?

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