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    Quote Originally Posted by waddy View Post
    Fantastic, I've been wanting to explore this system as well.
    Ok thanks for the reminder . . .

    . . . it will take a couple of hours . . . I'll let you know when it is up
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    ready to see this thing
    Dale Gribble: I'm thinking, "new hammock." For me, laying and swaying in a hammock is like a steady morphine drip without the risk of renal failure.

    Randy : yea but just remember yer roots and where ya come from....you got Hennessy in yer blood son......

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    OK so here it is . . . unrehearsed

    And I noticed that I have been around my wife tooooooo long
    and say ZEEEE liner instead of Zed-Liner

    I am so embarassed

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    wonderful video. I had wondered for awhile how this thing looked. and it seems you got great results out of it. also like the homemade pads. they look great. I really appreciate the video man. I honestly mean it when I say you should send this thing to clark. Im sure they would like it also
    Dale Gribble: I'm thinking, "new hammock." For me, laying and swaying in a hammock is like a steady morphine drip without the risk of renal failure.

    Randy : yea but just remember yer roots and where ya come from....you got Hennessy in yer blood son......

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    Thanks for making the video and showing these.

    If you had limited the video to 30 seconds, and showed your pads* compared to the Clarks Z-liner, I would have the same impression I got from almost 10 minutes of video: I want a Clark Z-liner like I want to pay the dealer $1200 for the car stereo next time I'm shopping for one of those vehicles.

    *Six thin polyester pillows and a triangle of uninsulated nylon fabric to Velcro over the foot end? That's all of the "Z-liner" system?

    With summer coming on (in the lands well north of Oz), tarps movable from one hammock to another, and the same money spent:

    Do I want to buy and try a Warbonnet (for example) or JRB Bridge, and plan to run a sewing machine head past 6 measured sections of a cheap and cheerful sleeping bag;
    or
    Do I want to buy a "Z liner"?

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    Apologies; an asterisk was in the wrong place in my previous post.

    Bradley's seven home-made pads insulate the entire bottom. Clark's "Z liner" pads do not fill the pockets at all, being rather thin; and where Bradley had insulated the lower triangle, the last 1/4 that 3/4 UQs do not, the Clark "system" doesn't even try, offering just a triangle of fabric, a tack-on seventh loose pocket.

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    I do believe he did upgrade the system quite a bit. im sure if he felt his feet needed it he would have a small pad shaped to fit in the triangle
    Dale Gribble: I'm thinking, "new hammock." For me, laying and swaying in a hammock is like a steady morphine drip without the risk of renal failure.

    Randy : yea but just remember yer roots and where ya come from....you got Hennessy in yer blood son......

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    Hey guys, just so you know,
    The triangle foot part is insulated the same as the pads.

    If you had limited the video to 30 seconds, . . . I would have the same impression I got from almost 10 minutes of video
    Kinda like Ludwig van Beethoven . . . He just used to many notes,
    woulda been better if it was shorter . . .
    . . . Clark's "Z liner" pads do not fill the pockets at all, being rather thin; . . . offering just a triangle of fabric, a tack-on seventh loose pocket.
    Their intent wasn't to fill the pockets
    Your comment "offering just a triangle of fabric" is inacurate,
    it is just as insulated as the pads.

    FYI - your general attitude just afforded you a place on my ignore list
    (yea . . . that is all it takes . . . )

    My guess is that Clark wasn't intending to take anyone to subarctic temps.
    only through a cooler night . . .

    The rest of you . . . thanks for your kind words.
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    Good one Bradley. I've not tried flipping my NX over to put the Z-liner on but that makes perfect sense.

    I do just as you do, once the liner is installed, it stays there all season. No need to take it on/off each time you hang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plaunius View Post
    Good one Bradley. . . once the liner is installed, it stays there all season. . .
    Thanks . . .

    Plus I think in the summer on iffy days/nights I will take the pocket pads along in a different stuff sack.
    but leave the foot end at home . . . They don't have much weight and pack down small enough . . .
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