Secure loop knot for Amsteel

[Aardvark]

I use the locked brummel loop, just don't forget to taper the end before you bury (+1 on 6" idea).

[hppyfngy]

a locked brummel without access to both ends, although I find it to be a pain. I am not keen on stitched buries.

Why is that? It's easy, and virtually fail safe.

Which one?

[oldgringo]

Which one?

Sorry. The stitched buries. You can do it with a machine...takes < a minute.

[hppyfngy]

Sorry. The stitched buries. You can do it with a machine...takes < a minute.

Interesting. I never thought of doing it on the machine. I'll have to fool around with that.

More useful information.

Thanks!
hfg

[DemostiX]

The purpose of the stitches is NOT strength. You can hand stitch with 2lb test monofiliament to the same effect. That means anybody can do the stitching. The purpose of stitching is to give the constrictor an opportunity to grab the bury before the bury pulls out.

Now, for Old Gringo and others serious about this simple and elemental safety step a thread injector may be easier. But, these stitches are not doing the duty of the ones sewn into straps for loops or into fabric for hammock channels.

I'm responding because I'm unassisted in sewing. But, I can take a minute, with a darning needle and dental floss, to secure eyes so they have the strength of the cord, and I never need to be concerned about the grab happening.

After reading in another thread some really appalling ignorance of how to easily not endanger others, a fundamental of public health, I will have on hand polyester thread in colors contrasting to that of the cord, so I know the stitches are there because I can see them.

Pretty soon we see people who don't lock with a Brummel, and don't stitch the bury to guarantee the grab either. Next, somebody from DNR testifies to a State Parks Commission on banning hammock camping, not because any trees are being harmed, but because somebody split his head when his gear failed and he dropped to the ground at 3AM after coming back from his pee. There's no evidence of a knot in the end of one rope!!!

No, the State didn't buckle and settle an attempted law suit. But, advice of the DNR Counsel was to just ban hammocks, diminish that source of litigation, and restrict ropes in campground to tarps and tents.

[hppyfngy]

The purpose of the stitches is NOT strength.

Yes I know this. I've just never really used them. I'm not that clear on how it's done ttytt. Do you have the bury tight when you sew it? Is it necessary to sew the full length of the bury or is it better to just sew like the last third so you still get a good constrictive grab?

According to Samson, 3-4 stitches in two planes is enough, and they shouldn't be tight. Surely if you do it on a machine you don't get that kind of stitch.

Anyway, I'm sure it works but I'll have to mess around with it before I feel comfortable with the idea. Locked brummels I am perfectly comfortable with.

I was originally looking for a knot...

[oldgringo]

I should have been clear...I use a locked brummel when possible, and stitch continuous loops, where a lock is not possible, limiting the stitching to the short area between the buries.

You may find this helpful:
http://l-36.com/mcdonald.php

[DemostiX]

According to Samson, 3-4 stitches in two planes is enough, and they shouldn't be tight. Surely if you do it on a machine you don't get that kind of stitch.

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Right, the extra stitches and at 90 degrees are just back-up, should the stitching begin to unravel. Safety margins of factors of 5-10 are not for no reason. I believe the buries are also conservatively long, but nobody should think to save a buck to see how short it can be.

[hppyfngy]

I should have been clear...I use a locked brummel when possible, and stitch continuous loops, where a lock is not possible, limiting the stitching to the short area between the buries.

You may find this helpful:
http://l-36.com/mcdonald.php

Thanks again. I've done that before and almost went blind trying it on 1.75 Lash-it...

I used a slightly different method

http://www.youtube.com/user/opie0074#p/u/2/rU1b1iYgdgw

[TeeDee]

I should have been clear...I use a locked brummel when possible, and stitch continuous loops, where a lock is not possible, limiting the stitching to the short area between the buries.

You may find this helpful:
http://l-36.com/mcdonald.php

doing a locked on a continuous loop is possible.