Wouldn't it make more sense to use a regular top quilt? seems to me like you'd have more ease of temp control with the top insulation right there on your body since you can roll it back a bit if you get too hot or cover up when you get cold.
Talk to me peapod users. I'm trying to learn all I can before I go and start making plans to buy things.
The peapod system is used for deep winter excursions by many of our die hard winter hikers here. Based on a lot of tests last winter it seems to be the best way to stay toasty warm in temps below 0*F
Shug and some others have tested this down in the -20*F ranges and had good results.
It is bulky and heavy system. I believe Shug places the gear in his sled when he uses it.
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+ 1Originally Posted by Raul Perez
exactly my view of the peapod as well
this insulation system is reported [by peeps who go out and try lots of different systems] to have advantages for sub-zero temperatures
not really a lightweight approach for 3 season backpacking
Winter camping/hiking is going to be heavier, period. We hit temps of -30+ on Roan High Knob in Feb. this year and I was almost too warm at times.
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A pulk will make it easier to handle heavier loads. The cooler was overkill but I never had to thaw my water.
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now is the peapod good down to and below 0* or would you need the polar pod? What is the difference?
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+2 it is a winter mainstay. Not the only way to stay warm, but one of the most guaranteed ways to keep you warm. You ask " What's the advantage of a Peapod? ".
Answer #1: Bomb proof draft control. First and foremost, that is the major selling point, IMO. Many a quilt user, or someone trying to use a mummy bag as a quilt, have reported challenges keeping things tucked through the night as they toss and turn. The bigger the user/the smaller the quilt, the bigger the challenge. Not saying it can't be done- in fact I have done it- but sometimes it is a challenge. At the same time, similar problems have been reported some UQ users. All this varies with the quilt, the users experience and various little tricks to overcome these issues. Again, it can definitely be done, and I have done it, but issues have been reported.
But the PeaPod/PolarPod can quickly defeat all of these issues. It is "sealed" on the ends AND drapes over the sides of the hammock down on to you, or close. So cold air has a hard time coming in either end or side and getting into any gap that might be under you.
But you might have a new draft problem caused by the hammock lifting the TQ part of the pod and giving a lot of space to be heated, and allowing the air you do warm up to escape out of any breathing hole. But this problem is very easily solved. First, you can close the pod all the way, with amazingly little condensation problems- or close it down to a very tiny vent hole. Instead of wearing your puffy jacket and vest, you can just lay them on top of you or put them on backwards to fill any gap and form a neck collar to "seal" off escape of warm air out of the breathing hole. And some of the more narrow hammocks, like the Claytor, pretty much allow the pod to drape down on your body any way. And finally, just adding a light summer TQ or bag will fill most any gap with even a wider hammock. Now you have the loft of the pod added to the loft of the TQ, NO drafts at all no matter how you move, a pretty good built in thick hood, and you are roasting. Still not a problem, because venting this set up- with full length Velcro, varies from zero to wide open. So, that is the advantage!
Now, when considering the weight issue mentioned several times: My 20F pod weighs 42 oz, and some models are 38 oz. ( applies to when Speer was making them, not sure about now with TTTG- might be heavier or lighter) . So what is the weight of two full length and LONG 20F quilts? 21 oz? 23 oz? So what is that times two( a TQ + 1 UQ)? 42-46 oz? What about after you add a hood with 2.5" of single layer loft? So I'm not so sure a pod approach is really much heavier. Admittedly, that UQ/TQ combo ( plus a good hood) will be warmer on top because of no gap. But again, a narrow hammock takes care of most of that, putting your puffy jackets on top of you also greatly helps that gap, and adding a summer TQ wipes out any gap problem and gives you much more loft than you had with the 20F TQ, so now it is a much warmer TQ than 20F, though heavier. Plus, far fewer potential draft problems and great head warmth built in.
Using the clothes I had with me any way, and a narrow Claytor No Net hammock, I have used my 42 oz PeaPod and been just OK at 27, and toasty in the 30s. Could I have done much better with 42 oz worth of TQ/UQs plus several oz worth of hoods. Or as good with a full length tq/uq/hood combo that weighed much less?
PeaPods are easily good to 20 ( for me) on the bottom, and potentially good to 20 on top, depending on many variables like hammock width and how much top gap you end up with, and what you have with you to fill the gap. If you start adding even light TQs, it can easily be way warmer than 20 on top.
PolarPod is the same temp rating, but much bigger allowing good downward drape with larger hammocks and with more room allowing adding additional bags/quilts/jackets/pads/dry leaves as needed without running out of room so quickly and compressing loft. There is no telling how low you could go by adding stuff to this setup.
One reason not to use a PeaPod would be for roominess. For me the sensation of a big TQ/hood or winter sleeping bag inside a JRB BMBH with a MW4 UQ is a more open, roomy sensation. And if you can control the drafts it will work just as well. But a pod is snug as a bug in a rug!
Last edited by BillyBob58; 08-17-2011 at 22:14.
Only thing I can add is I had Speer make my PP a tube wider so I essentially use it as a hanging bivy. With a ridgeline on the inside of the Pod, I have room to move, read, etc. I really like that advantage. And actually, since Im a cold sleeper, I transfer to my PP from my summer setup when the weather gets below 40*. Perfect for me..
Good tip on the cooler Dale, thanks.
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I considered a peapod, and went with a hammock sock instead for a couple of reasons: lighter weight and smaller and more space inside...my sock has a couple of layers of Insultex in the bottom, and that, in combination with the micro-climate created inside the sock, makes for very comfortable sleeping, even in quite cold weather.
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I'm with Billy Bob. Why do I want two sleeping systems ? Under qulit , over quilt . When I can use one item that does both ! It can also be used as a sleeping bag or quilt and as with the "Dreamwalker" a parka.
I can move around, shift nothen to move or leave gaps.
Easy in easy out. No adjusting or fiddle factor.
My go to system all four season .
I just can't understand why more people don't use it.
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