But what about all the ground vegetation tent dwellers are laying on? ...and all that ground I stepped on to get to camp... Is that damaged property? I'm not sure my ropes are doing any more damage than a squirrel running up a tree. I've seen fences grown into healthy tree trucks, do you think flaking off 1/100th" of bark dust is killing trees? How did that fence get inside that tree? Did the trunk *gasp* self-heal? If the consensus is that I am "killing" trees, I'll stop using straight rope, but IMHO I'm not doing any unrecoverable damage.
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However, I've used mini carabiners as toggles and this is where the Marlinspike hitch comes in. The toggle represents a lighter solution for gram-weenies like me.
Now, in a popular area, especially campgrounds, repeated hammock use can cause damage, just like tents impact an area and cause "site creep." I think this is where tree straps really come into play because you reduce the long-term impact.
Using tree straps as a habit is good practice for those times when it really counts. We've already seen and heard of campgrounds prohibiting hammocks, or anything tied to a tree/vegetation, because of overuse damage.
Leave No Trace is not _law_, but the principles provide good practice techniques so that when you visit an area again it looks as "natural" as the first time you visited.
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For me, one of the purposes of Whoopie Slings is to lighten your gear. There is still a tree strap required for going around the tree. But, my strap with whoopies is 5' long instead of the 14' long straps that came with my hammock. The minimum length of the tree strap depends on where you hang. Sequoia National Park requires some pretty long straps but my 5' will get me around a 1.5' diameter tree which is plenty where I hike.
Tree straps are a requirement in my book because they are more LNT than ropes. But, most importantly, there is the subject of perception of impact. Those that have been following threads here on HF know that there are places that do not allow any hammocks at all. The perception is that hammockers are damaging trees. These perceptions came from somewhere; probably from some hangers not caring about the environment that they are enjoying.
For instance, no one can hang in any state park in my state of Florida because officials don't trust us to not damage the trees. So, perception is important to all of us because a few bad practices can and does affect the rest of us.
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Wait a minute now. I'm not trying to get into an argument here. I was just stating a concern with using thin ropes directly against a tree. I never said anything about killing a tree, or what animals that actually live in the woods do to trees. Believe me, bear can scar/kill a tree quick. I also realize how much damage a tent does to the plants and such on the ground. They have been used for quite some time, hammocks however are becoming more popular and we are going to see more and more in the woods. I just think its up to those of us who are currently using hammocks to set a good example of how little impact they have to anything. Those fences in the middle of a tree was put there long ago by people, and probably by a previous land owner who can do what they please with their land, even cut the tree down. We can also see abuse when visiting maintained camp sites with all the nails and stuff in trees. We also have laws against using screw in type tree steps on government owned property, but can use them on your own property if we so desire. Does it kill a tree, no, does it scar the tree, yes.
If you want to use thin rope directly around the tree, so be it, its your choice in the matter since we have no rules/laws against it. Doesnt affect me one way or another right now. I just wanted to state my opinion on what could happen if done enough times and to the right trees, and the wrong people see it and want to bring up that fact. The world today is full of people that don't know any better or don't have enough to complain about. Why do you think we have warnings all over the place, like don't drink that bottle of heet, or don't use the hair dryer in the bath tub. Just because we currently don't have a law or warning for something doesn't mean it wont be a law or warning in the future. All it would take is one person that see's it as harm, they argue their point, we argue ours against tents or what have you, we win, hopefully. Then it happens again, we keep winning, but why should it even reach that point for a few ounces?
I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting Nick, are you fixing your whoopies to the carabiners or still looping them over the knot of the MSH?
If you clipping on the crabs then there's not much point for a MSH is there? Surely a fixed loop or overhand knot on the tree strap would do?
I've probably got the wrong end of the stick as usual
We kinda got off topic there for a second.
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Do you guys have any trouble getting the knot over the little hook in a biner after a night? Sorry for getting off topic.