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    Senior Member Ears's Avatar
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    newbies gear list help

    hey guys,


    got a bunch of gear, and find i tend to buy stuff that i have items that already accomplish said task. so ima put together a list of the crap i have sorted by its purpose, im hoping i could get some feedback on where mybiggest gaps are...like me looking into another backpack (already have like 3) instead of trying to replace my aquamira tabs with a filter system. thanks!

    a few things to keep in mind. im a college kid, i like going decently light but i like robust stuff..used to military gear. also need a list, im not used to packing a loadout without a list. its weird. but if anyone is bored and wants to take a prode at helpin me sort i would greatly appreciate it, already watch abuncha youtubes from shug to those other gorge rats.

    ill try to be as exact in the names so its easy to search. i started to add links but thats not functional.

    backpack(s):
    Kathmandu 70l+10
    USMC MARPAT ILBE APB03 Corpsman Recon Assault Back pack
    A McKinney external frame...dunno got it from a flea market

    sleep system
    HH UL with whoopies and tree straps...missing toggles (wanna turn bag into bishop)
    HH typhoon tarp with stakes from my tent (with snakeskins)
    sleeping pad alps mountaineering comfort series
    0degree synth ledge sleeping bag......bulky as all hell.
    alps mountaineering extreem 3 tent for when i have to group camp

    kitchen stuffs:
    coleman 533 duel fuel, a tank of a burner but heavy like one
    1l fuel bottle primus
    coleman max cookware from walmart anodized (using smaller half of set)
    swiss ranger woodgas stove. awesome piece. but afraid to take just a woodburner
    lightmyfire spork
    lighter. dont have ferrous rode yet.
    x(2) 1L canteens one mil plastic swiss w/alum cup, other comercial swiss alum.
    aquiramira tablets

    randoms:
    garmin etrex, toiletries, medbag leg rig, pn: 80-0048 nsn pending (yes its huge but its the one thing i wont comprimise on) ar7, kabar, cllapsible woodsaw. head lamp, flashlight.

    as you can tell i started to get bored during the randoms. ill try to go back and label better but ima just finish the clothes.

    clothes:
    nope sorry they are in a gorilla locker and ive got hungover roomates around me. so that will be later.
    thanks!
    I'm a Hammocker stuck in a tenter's body.....

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    It looks like you have pretty much everything you need to get out and have fun. Unless you are trying to go lighter, and smaller on pack size I think you are set. Now if lighter/smaller pack is what you are after then there are lots of places to improve.

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    hahaha, yep i too have three packs and no filrter system. I thought i was the only one with that afliction. Looks like you've got some good stuff there. The first thing i would recomend is the GSI Duelist. Its a bad *** little cook set that's won backpacker's editors choice so many times, i don't even know. Its light weight and tough. I could go on and on about how much i like that little piece of kit but the bottom line is it's handy and dependable. Get yourself a fire starter, (ferrous rod), they are like $10. Its so satisfying to spark a fire to life with one. Looks cool, feels cool, and by-golly its a life saver of a tool. As far as your stove goes, i'm not familur with that one, but if its big and heavy than its takin up space and energy that could otherwise be used to carry foods and whatnot. I personally use an alcohol stove made from a beer can. Its light and does good job. Its not verydurrable and kinda slow. There is the traingia stove, made out of brass that a lot of people like. Check ebay for butain backpacking stoves. I picked up one for like $18 used. They're tiny, light and fuel efficiant. These little things can get water boiling within minutes. You can get the butain cannisters right at walmart too. They don't like the cold though. I don't know i've rambled my fair share. Hope that helps some, or at least gets ya lookin in the right dirrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefields181 View Post
    hahaha, yep i too have three packs and no filrter system. I thought i was the only one with that afliction. Looks like you've got some good stuff there. The first thing i would recomend is the GSI Duelist. Its a bad *** little cook set that's won backpacker's editors choice so many times, i don't even know. Its light weight and tough. I could go on and on about how much i like that little piece of kit but the bottom line is it's handy and dependable. Get yourself a fire starter, (ferrous rod), they are like $10. Its so satisfying to spark a fire to life with one. Looks cool, feels cool, and by-golly its a life saver of a tool. As far as your stove goes, i'm not familur with that one, but if its big and heavy than its takin up space and energy that could otherwise be used to carry foods and whatnot. I personally use an alcohol stove made from a beer can. Its light and does good job. Its not verydurrable and kinda slow. There is the traingia stove, made out of brass that a lot of people like. Check ebay for butain backpacking stoves. I picked up one for like $18 used. They're tiny, light and fuel efficiant. These little things can get water boiling within minutes. You can get the butain cannisters right at walmart too. They don't like the cold though. I don't know i've rambled my fair share. Hope that helps some, or at least gets ya lookin in the right dirrection.
    I will say you are right on the money on all of what you stated. My set up is slightly different since i usually dislike alky stoves unless i am being very very pack concious. I use a gsi kettlist and pocket rocket. Go with get jetboil canester fuel for it is the only one that isn't too buggy in the cold. My dad uses the soloist which is great all around cookset for one and pushing two people. Group camping i would go with the duelist and that is a wonderful set too. Everyone here does things a little different and that is one thing i love about HF. My suggestion is do some car camping and short backpacking trips to figure out the kinks in your system, but you have a solid starting car camping gear on route to other things. Go out and have fun for now.
    Eagels may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked through jet engines!!

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    What kind of camping are you doing? Serious backpacking? Car camping? I would suggest changing out the stove for sure. One of the alky ones, or an esbit is a cheap alternative to get started. Other than that, you might want to think about ditching the pad/bag and go for an underquilt/topquilt. The AR7 and Kbar seem a bit overkill to me for your average trip, but to each his own. So as far as a list, I think you got a good start here. You just might want to reevaluate some of the gear and think about if you want to get lighter and plan on how to do that.
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    looking at your list it's hard to figure out what your looking to do
    if you plan on doing backpacking on set trail like the AT ditch the AR7 and all the survival stuff your not going to need it ... that stuff is great for bushwacking or survival but on the trail your not going to find any use for them IMO so it will end up being dead weight ...

    as for other gear stove... you can make an alky stove for free out of some cans and knock a few lbs off your weight right there
    being your a collage kid with no money the other gear you have will work for now... i would save up and replace stuff as you go like UQ and TQ maybe a lighter pack stuff like that or even learn to sew get a used sewing machine and make your gear
    It puts the Underquilt on it's hammock ... It does this whenever it gets cold

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    If your stove is huge and heavy, you can get a cheap ($25) coleman cannister stove at walmart and you'll be able to do any cooking you want on it- eggs, pancakes, burgers- whatever. That's something you can't easily do with a beercan alcohol stove. If you just are boiling water for dehydrated food the alcohol stove will work and they are super cheap to make.

    Add food to your list and you'll at least survive a weekend. Don't forget some sort of rain gear if it's a possibility. Camping wet is no fun and can risk survival.

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    how much am i looking at $$ for a tq/uq setup? side note how long can applebutter stay good for on a trail? can anyone point me in the right direction like if that jacksrbetter nest is the only model for a bottom entry hennessy? and how is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ears View Post
    how much am i looking at $$ for a tq/uq setup? side note how long can applebutter stay good for on a trail? can anyone point me in the right direction like if that jacksrbetter nest is the only model for a bottom entry hennessy? and how is it?
    almost any under quilt will work with the bottom entry HH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ears View Post
    how much am i looking at $$ for a tq/uq setup? side note how long can applebutter stay good for on a trail? can anyone point me in the right direction like if that jacksrbetter nest is the only model for a bottom entry hennessy? and how is it?
    For a topquilt/underquilt combo, that depends on what temperatures you expect to be seeing on the trail. For 40F, figure in the $250.00 to $500.00 range for good-quality quilts. Add about $100.00 per 20 F you go below that, down to 0 F, and then you start getting into custom quilts. That can be shaved by watching the For Sale forum here like a hawk, though.

    However, if you're only going to be camping in 40F or so, you can get started with a pair of military surplus poncho liners. One of them can be used as a topquilt and the other as a no-sew PLUQ (Poncho Liner UnderQuilt). The whole mess should run you in the $60 to $80 range, be lighter than that 0F synthetic you have, and be less bulky overall to boot.

    Now, this is not a permanent solution, but it works for most users down to 45 F or so, and can be supplemented for cheap with a sit pad and a fleece throw from WallyWorld (~$2). Those and decent sleeping clothes should net you another five to ten degrees. Add in a hot water bottle, and you could potentially get down to freezing or just below. It ain't pretty, but it's cheap and relatively light.

    If you have a sewing machine (or know someone at college who does and owes you a favor), there's a sewn version of the same underquilt that, if you add a layer of cheap insulation like InsulBright (~$12 to ~$16 at WallyWorld or a big-box fabric store for the size you'll need), should be good down to freezing or so. Now, there you start running into the issue of the PLUQ weighing more--and especially taking up more space. So, that may not be something that you want to do.

    As far as weather protection, if you're going to be hiking in 50F or above, I'm a big fan of the GI ponchos: they're nearly indestructible, cool in hot weather (compared to a rain jacket anyway), can be used as a ground sheet for when you get out of the hammock or an improvised Grizz Beak if the weather gets particularly bad, and replaces the need for a pack cover on anything below about 70 liters. Those will run you in the $20 to $30 range at the surplus store.

    Feel free to PM me if you have any questions! Oh, and welcome to the madness.

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