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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalin View Post
    I am trying to visualize this in my head...

    So, you are saying I could put a prussik on the hardware near the end of the rope, then take the end of the rope and use it to splice into itself? This would effectively create the "both ends" you describe below, right?

    I was actually asking about just running the rope around the hardware once, and then splice. Basically a spliced loop around the rings. Is there a problem with the rope not cinching up to the rings? What about for the trucker's hitch or SLS that use one ring instead of two? (Forgive my ignorance, please!)



    Another (similar) question is would the ridgeline keep the same effect from happening? The force on the ridgeline is about 1/2 that of the supports that would be on the other side of the whipping, so theoretically, it could cause the loop to pull out on the support side. However, my alternate theory is that the ridgeline is going to keep those loops from pulling out by staying where it is, with equal force being distributed on both sides of the hammock... (I don't mind a permanent ridgeline!)
    pictures here would be helpful. So we use a thousand words instead.

    I can take a piece of cord and tie a bowline loop on it, say 3 or 4 inches in height. A poor man's splice. I can attach the rings or the cinch buckle to that loop (here's where the pictures would help)...thread the top of the bowline through the rings or cinch slot, bring the top all the way around and pass between the two cords of the loop on the near side, bring the top back around through the rings or cinch buckle slot again. Now pass the standing end of the cord through the loop top poking up on the far side of the rings or out of the cinch buckle. Tighten.

    So that takes care of the hardware end. What you are asking is if you had a cord with loops in both ends, tied a larks head or prussik on the folds in the middle of that cord, with both loops sticking out. One of those has hardware on it. The other one you want to put a ridgeline---or not---on.

    So the question is whether, when only one of the loops is loaded, the prussik on the folds will hold. I don't know. But it is easy enough to simulate the situation by taking a length of cord, putting a prussik in the middle on, say, an overhead beam of some kind, and hang a big weight on just one of the free ends coming out of the prussik.

    If that doesn't convey the thought then we'll have to break out cameras...!

    Grizz

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    Just getting into this, and trying to keep everything as simple as possible, I don't run a rope through the gather at all. I gather the hammock end, pass it through a ring, fold it back on itself, and whip the two together. The suspension goes straight to the tree side of the ring and the ridge line for the bugnet goes to the ring from the hammock side. In actual practice, the ridge line for the bugnet ties to the ring on the foot end with a bowline and on the head end it goes through the ring and than back to a tautline hitch on itself so I can adjust it while lying down. So far it has worked for several afternoon naps and I'll find out tonight if it keeps my posterior out of the wet grass.

    P.S. 7/1 Wet grass kept it's distance. Pileated Woodpecker woke me up after only nine hours of uninterrupted sleep. b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    pictures here would be helpful. So we use a thousand words instead.

    I can take a piece of cord and tie a bowline loop on it, say 3 or 4 inches in height. A poor man's splice. I can attach the rings or the cinch buckle to that loop (here's where the pictures would help)...thread the top of the bowline through the rings or cinch slot, bring the top all the way around and pass between the two cords of the loop on the near side, bring the top back around through the rings or cinch buckle slot again. Now pass the standing end of the cord through the loop top poking up on the far side of the rings or out of the cinch buckle. Tighten.
    I appriciate that, Grizz. I don't think we will need to get out the camera now, but my head sure hurts, LOL!

    However, what I am really getting at with the loop on the hardware end is whether or not the hardware needs to be cinched tight. Right now I have a larkshead on my rings, so the larkshead is cinched up on the rings. If I were to splice the rope to form a loop around the rings, the rings would be loose in the loop instead of cinched tight. My question is, do the rings neccissarily need to be cinched via a larkshead or the method above or can they be "loose" in a loop?

    The point of this is to have a rope that has no knots in it. Ever since I talked to the old guy at the sailboat shop where I bought my suspension line about splicing rope, I have wanted to use this technique. It would just look real clean, and I can imagine it would be easy to just whip the hammock on both ends, and trim the extra line on the ends coming out of the whipping to a uniform length, (perhaps about a foot on each end) then splice the loops.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    So the question is whether, when only one of the loops is loaded, the prussik on the folds will hold. I don't know. But it is easy enough to simulate the situation by taking a length of cord, putting a prussik in the middle on, say, an overhead beam of some kind, and hang a big weight on just one of the free ends coming out of the prussik.
    I am not going to need a removable ridgeline, so I guess this is all a moot point, but I was making one for a friend, and I thought it would be a nice feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalin View Post
    I appriciate that, Grizz. I don't think we will need to get out the camera now, but my head sure hurts, LOL!

    However, what I am really getting at with the loop on the hardware end is whether or not the hardware needs to be cinched tight. Right now I have a larkshead on my rings, so the larkshead is cinched up on the rings. If I were to splice the rope to form a loop around the rings, the rings would be loose in the loop instead of cinched tight. My question is, do the rings neccissarily need to be cinched via a larkshead or the method above or can they be "loose" in a loop?

    The point of this is to have a rope that has no knots in it. Ever since I talked to the old guy at the sailboat shop where I bought my suspension line about splicing rope, I have wanted to use this technique. It would just look real clean, and I can imagine it would be easy to just whip the hammock on both ends, and trim the extra line on the ends coming out of the whipping to a uniform length, (perhaps about a foot on each end) then splice the loops.
    I think I see what you're saying. No, a simple loop around a pair of rings isn't going to do it. Those rings have to be pinched together. You can still get the clean knot free look you want though by splicing a big loop, and put a prussik on the rings as I described before. The splice could be inches away from the rings, but the pull on the standing end gets transfered to the loop which gets transfered to the rings and they get pinched.

    You don't need to pinch a cinch (sorry, couldn't help it), you could loop the end of the cord through the buckle enough times so that the slot is filled, then bring that end back to the cord and splice it. That would be real permanent, unlike the prussik.

    Grizz

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    Thanks! You da man, Grizz...and I love the Tilley BTW! Is it the TH4?

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