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    Quote Originally Posted by Fronkey View Post
    How many oz of down are in that baby? 12 oz is pretty **** awesome

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    i believe we put 6 oz in the 40* shell - not sure if he'll adjust the baffles .5" or what, but i wanted to split the difference between the 20 & 40--- even in winter, this thing could probably hit the trail out in my neck of the woods.

    now to wait... loving the M50 color choices, i got a little carried away
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    Sounds awesome.

    I got the Black and Green for the colors. I am going to do a 20f for my UQ and then get a 50f for a top quilt. With Kiba in the hammock she raises my quilt temps extremely well. I really think I can get down to 20f with a 50f quilt with her in there.

    Post pics when you get it.

    Fronkey

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    my last UQ was half M50 half .61 Cuben with 5oz of down it's 9.4oz good down into the 30s
    the UQ before that i made for warmer months was made out of a 1.1 ripstop shell and around 4oz of down it was a 40F UQ it was i think 11.7oz

    it comes down to how much your willing to spend to save a few oz
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    i can see it now a four dog night in a hammock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fronkey View Post
    What about the difference in weight between a Phoenix made of 1.1 and one made of M50?
    (Sorry to get semi off topic from what you posted. But, it saves me from starting a new thread to ask... I'll buy you a coke as an apology. )

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    No problem Dude, this question is right along with the discussion I am having with myself in my head on what material to use on my top quilt.

    For those who have used sevenD and KG-8D, is there really a BIG difference? I am leaning toward these two. The feel seems softer than momentum and its lighter. How durable can I expect for such a low denier? Am I gonna have down flying all over the forest if I pull it too hard out of the stuff sack?
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    My cuben/7d phoenix with 5oz of down weighs 8.96oz not including carabiners. If I recall, its a savings of 4oz from the standard 1.1.

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    FYI, the KG 8D has a small fraction of the wind resistance of calendered 1.1 oz/ sq yd nylon or M90.
    I have some KG 8D, and will use it, but likely only for inner shells.
    The extreme "breathability" will most likely result in greater heat loss, especially in windy conditions.

    M50 (and sevenD too I believe) has a much better reputation for wind resistance.

    Keep in mind that 1.1 nylon weighs more than 1.1oz/sq yd after DWR treatment.

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    What about using the 8d as baffle material?
    The NoSeeUm seems so heavy. I have looked at the nanoSeeum @ 0.7 oz/sq yd, but at 0.67 oz/sq yd the 8d is lighter. Would the difference in breathability pose any problems? I would imagine as one moves about in the hammock there is a bit of shifting air volumes withing the individual chambers. If the fabric didn't allow for that, it could place a bit of stress on the baffle stitch lines.
    Has anyone used the 8d for baffles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwright View Post
    What about using the 8d as baffle material?
    The NoSeeUm seems so heavy. I have looked at the nanoSeeum @ 0.7 oz/sq yd, but at 0.67 oz/sq yd the 8d is lighter. Would the difference in breathability pose any problems? I would imagine as one moves about in the hammock there is a bit of shifting air volumes withing the individual chambers. If the fabric didn't allow for that, it could place a bit of stress on the baffle stitch lines.
    Has anyone used the 8d for baffles?

    Jason
    Oh great question. Also does 8d have to be hemmed. Nanoseeum baffles don't but if 8d does then that might bring the weight back up to nano.
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    The 8D should be hemmed and I only use it as an inner shell.
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