Ramblin...the designer of my bags actually wanted me to run a full frame bag but it meant that I would lose my bottles. I gotta have those. I'm not so sure a triangle bag would fit either as that top tube really slopes and I doubt I'd be able to get the seat tube bottle out but it's another thing to look into. I think you're absolutely right when you talk about the details being in the packing. Everything should be in a particular place for a reason.