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    It's knot working.....

    grrrr... I took my new suspension system to the local park and set it up. The webbing just goes zling sliding right through the rings even if I tie a half hitch. Is there a way of wrapping the rings that gives a greater grip? I know how to tie two half-hitches and the taut-line but they seem to zip right along. I didn't land on the backside but only because it didn't take all my weight to slip them babies down. I am using Olefin webbing if that makes a difference. I looked it up and it appears to be related to the polyester webbing and in fact seems to be listed with it on websites so I thought I should be ok. Any ideas?
    I may be slow... But I sure am gimpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    grrrr... I took my new suspension system to the local park and set it up. The webbing just goes zling sliding right through the rings even if I tie a half hitch. Is there a way of wrapping the rings that gives a greater grip? I know how to tie two half-hitches and the taut-line but they seem to zip right along. I didn't land on the backside but only because it didn't take all my weight to slip them babies down. I am using Olefin webbing if that makes a difference. I looked it up and it appears to be related to the polyester webbing and in fact seems to be listed with it on websites so I thought I should be ok. Any ideas?
    I figured somewhere in the gallery there must be a picture of rings attached to the rope, did a search, and found one. It was from my first post, oh so many postings ago!

    So the cord on the rings is a prusik knot. That's important. You need to have tension pinching those rings down there. You don't have to have double line all the way back to the whipping like in the picture though. You can make a bowline with a big loop and tie the prusik on that way. Needs to be done though when the suspension cord is not attached to the hammock (because you need that end free to make the knot).

    If that's not the problem (i.e. you are doing this already), then it must be the webbing, and for that I dunno.

    Grizz

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    I found pics like that grizz... thanks. That part is hokey dokey.

    So back to grammar school for me.

    The rabbit goes through the holes in the rings.
    The rabbit goes around the bottom ring
    The rabbit goes behind the upper ring
    The rabbit heads back to the carrot patch....

    The tar baby don't hold for beans.

    OR

    The rabbit goes through the the holes in the rings.
    The rabbit goes around the bottom ring
    The rabbit goes behind the top ring
    The rabbit goes down around both rings
    The rabbit goes back through the holes in the rings
    The rabbit heads back to the carrot patch...

    OR

    Does the rabbit do something else entirely?

    Like
    The rabbit goes through the holes in the rings
    The Rabbit dives over the front of both rings
    The rabbit catches the bottom ring
    The rabbit swings around through the slit between both rings
    The rabbit climbs over the top ring
    The rabbit hides under the dust cloud of his original approach
    The rabbit heads back to the carrot patch under said dust cloud
    Last edited by Ramblinrev; 07-05-2008 at 20:22.
    I may be slow... But I sure am gimpy.

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    by the numbers.

    Just a re-illustration of the explanation at animated knots where an edge of the ring pair is the bar shown.

    My numbers do not correspond to those in animated knots. Just a pictural sequence.

    1. prusik-loop-1.jpg
    2. prusik-loop-2.jpg
    3. prusik-loop-3.jpg
    4. prusik-loop-4.jpg
    5. prusik-loop-5.jpg
    6. prusik-loop-6.jpg
    7. prusik-loop-7.jpg
    8. prusik-loop-8.jpg

    in reviewing the earlier picture I posted, I see that the true Prusik knot has one more loop around the rings than what I pictured. In either case, when you tighten up the cord around the rings, try to get the rings pretty much on top of each other, not offset. That closes any gaps that may form up where you'll put the webbing.

    Another thought...what diameter rings are you using?

    Grizz
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    ok... I am obviously not making myself clear. So let me try it again.

    I am using 1.5 inch ID rings. I am set up with the prussics to the rings and those are attached to the stock rope by a larkshead through a fig 8 on a bight.

    The rabbit in my above post is the webbing end. I have no clue what the appropriate threading of the webbing through the rings looks like.

    I can find pics of the finished setup... but I can not see how the webbing is threaded. I am using 1" webbing.

    Is that clear?
    I may be slow... But I sure am gimpy.

    "Bless you child, when you set out to thread a needle don't hold the thread still and fetch the needle up to it; hold the needle still and poke the thread at it; that's the way a woman most always does, but a man always does t'other way."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    I have no clue what the appropriate threading of the webbing through the rings looks like.

    I can find pics of the finished setup... but I can not see how the webbing is threaded. I am using 1" webbing.


    That picture is from this page. It is somewhat dark, but should illustrate what you are looking for, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    ok... I am obviously not making myself clear. So let me try it again... but I can not see how the webbing is threaded. I am using 1" webbing.
    OK. Threading the webbing is comparatively straightforward

    prusik-loop-9.jpgprusik-loop-10.jpgprusik-loop-11.jpg

    with the optional, but painless half hitch
    prusik-loop-12.jpg

    Grizz

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    Thanks AS I had looked at that page and that's where I got the set up I am using. That does indeed answer my question. So... the one thing that is different between the setups in the picture and the arrangement I have is the cordage for the prussics. I don't have access to them fancy schmancy high tech ropes with the high weight rating. So I was using the cast off cordage from the ATHH. That is pretty big in comparison. I'll have to figure out a way to get around that... thanks folks.
    I may be slow... But I sure am gimpy.

    "Bless you child, when you set out to thread a needle don't hold the thread still and fetch the needle up to it; hold the needle still and poke the thread at it; that's the way a woman most always does, but a man always does t'other way."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    I don't have access to them fancy schmancy high tech ropes with the high weight rating.
    PM your address to me. I'll send you enough Dyneema for your project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    Thanks AS I had looked at that page and that's where I got the set up I am using. That does indeed answer my question. So... the one thing that is different between the setups in the picture and the arrangement I have is the cordage for the prussics. I don't have access to them fancy schmancy high tech ropes with the high weight rating. So I was using the cast off cordage from the ATHH. That is pretty big in comparison. I'll have to figure out a way to get around that... thanks folks.
    Suggest then you try the steps I showed in the prusik knot, but after step 5 pass the standing end through the loop and tighten, rather than go around the rings once again.

    In playing around with the cord and rings I noticed that the front tended to gap more with the full prusik (and the cord I'm using for the photos is about 5mm), and less with the "one loop" version (which is like a lark's head, but not quite).

    Grizz

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