I received my new Big Otter and Big Daddy today. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait a little while to put them up in the yard to check them out. I had knee surgery, and I'm still hobbling around on crutches. I'm stoked that Marty got some pictures of my Big Otter before he sent it, so I can see what it looks like already. Based on the packed size of these babies, they are very compact. At first glance the BD is about the size of a 12 oz. soda pop, and the BO looks about the same size as my packed Trek Light double hammock. Sweet. Weight isn't as big of an issue on my raft, but packed size it. The Big Otter comes in a double ended stuff sack....very nice. I'll try to get some packed size comparison pics soon in case folks are curious. Big thanks again to Marty. A great purchase experience.