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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoutitoutz View Post
    Thanks for everyones replies. I think I am going to go with Climashield, as I have heard that you have to quilt Primaloft One, which I have no idea how to do. Thanks for everyones help and advice.
    You should consider how my CS Yeti is set up. It has removable layers of Climashield. One layer of 2.5 oz/sq.yd is sewn right to the inner dif cut shell. This one layer ( which is ~ 1 sq.yd and so thus weighs ~ 2.5 oz) has proven good for me a little below 50, maybe to 45 YMMV ).

    Add one more layer( a simple process) and it is a whole bunch warmer. Add one or two more and you are ready to approach zero or below. And no reason why you could not add more if needed.

    IOW, instead of one 5 oz layer, use multiple 2.5 oz layers.

    But when it warms up, take out all but the one layer for an almost UL approach. I am endlessly amazed how I can sleep most of the year here in the south with just one layer, and even freezing is probably covered with just 2 layers.

    Though I can't say for certain about that do to lack of testing, because:
    1: my other layers are not 2.5 oz, but closer to 3.8 oz/sq.yd CS
    2: I have only taken the 2 layers to ~42, but was toasty and I feel I could have gone much lower
    3: Have not tested 3 layers myself, but my son was very toasty using 3 layers mid 20s, so could have gone much lower

    Anyway, that is one approach, though I have not seen any one take it. But that WB original CS UQ works real well and is super versatile.
    ( caution: the above advice is based on CS XP and what is probably Combat for the other layers. Have no knowledge bout if CS Apex would work the same)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronAlso View Post
    In really high winds you might need more than just that outter shell to keep you heat in. That's where an UQ protector comes in. 2QZQ make them from silny.
    We also make them in breathable calandered 1.1 ripstop. ZQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    You should consider how my CS Yeti is set up. It has removable layers of Climashield. One layer of 2.5 oz/sq.yd is sewn right to the inner dif cut shell. This one layer ( which is ~ 1 sq.yd and so thus weighs ~ 2.5 oz) has proven good for me a little below 50, maybe to 45 YMMV ).

    Add one more layer( a simple process) and it is a whole bunch warmer. Add one or two more and you are ready to approach zero or below. And no reason why you could not add more if needed.

    IOW, instead of one 5 oz layer, use multiple 2.5 oz layers.

    But when it warms up, take out all but the one layer for an almost UL approach. I am endlessly amazed how I can sleep most of the year here in the south with just one layer, and even freezing is probably covered with just 2 layers.

    Though I can't say for certain about that do to lack of testing, because:
    1: my other layers are not 2.5 oz, but closer to 3.8 oz/sq.yd CS
    2: I have only taken the 2 layers to ~42, but was toasty and I feel I could have gone much lower
    3: Have not tested 3 layers myself, but my son was very toasty using 3 layers mid 20s, so could have gone much lower

    Anyway, that is one approach, though I have not seen any one take it. But that WB original CS UQ works real well and is super versatile.
    ( caution: the above advice is based on CS XP and what is probably Combat for the other layers. Have no knowledge bout if CS Apex would work the same)
    Do you have a link to your DIY project?

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    Diva,

    Here is the thread where it is discussed in some detail.
    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6906

    ZQ,

    I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for educating me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronAlso View Post
    ZQ,
    I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for educating me.
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    I hate to resurrect an old thread but I wondering if Climashield is still king in the synthetic warmth:weight:compressibility departments?

    I'd love to see some photos of a ~20 UQ in some stuff sacks too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirMarkos View Post
    I hate to resurrect an old thread but I wondering if Climashield is still king in the synthetic warmth:weight:compressibility departments?
    I have yet to see convincing evidence that there is a clear winner, and that may be because of all the variables. You only listed 3, warmth, weight, and compressibility. A 4th that seems to be an issue for many DIY folks is ease of construction. Climashield wins that one (but not by enough to matter to me - YMMV). Primaloft is generally considered more compressible, and the other two attributes are subject for much discussion, probably because they are very close. It's useful to decide which characteristic is most important to you and let that guide your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WV View Post
    I have yet to see convincing evidence that there is a clear winner, and that may be because of all the variables. You only listed 3, warmth, weight, and compressibility. A 4th that seems to be an issue for many DIY folks is ease of construction. Climashield wins that one (but not by enough to matter to me - YMMV). Primaloft is generally considered more compressible, and the other two attributes are subject for much discussion, probably because they are very close. It's useful to decide which characteristic is most important to you and let that guide your choice.
    Well, I think the biggest factor for me would be the warmth:weight ratio. I can deal with a LITTLE extra bulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirMarkos View Post
    Well, I think the biggest factor for me would be the warmth:weight ratio. I can deal with a LITTLE extra bulk.
    If you're talking synthetics, then PL gold is the winner by about 10%. PL gold has a CLO/oz of 0.92 vs 0.82 with Apex. If you're looking at synthetic vs down, then synthetic keeps up to around 40. By the time you reach -20 down weigh 50-66% of the equivalent synthetic. I think you've seen the chart before but others may not have.
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