Eliminating Carabiner from Whoopie/Treestrap Setup: New Hardware Idea - DUTCH?

[thesergeant]

Hey Guys, I just thought I'd through this out there because I haven't really seen anything like it and would be curious to know if there is any interest. I don't have any intentions on making anything myself but maybe if enough people are interested Dutch might do a run (??? )

Anyway, currently I'm using 1" tree straps (6ft), Nano 23g carabiner and 7/64" amsteel whoopies. I've tried using toggles in various forms (carbon fiber shafts, aluminum shafts, sticks, etc.) and haven't really been happy with them. I find them a pain to adjust, don't trust their security, and find new hangers have a tough time learning the MSH.

I like the carabiners because it's a no brainer, full proof and easy to adjust. However, I don't like the additional volume and 46g weight (i'm an ultralight cycling bikepacker/tourer so I want to minimize volume/weight everywhere I can)

Here's my idea: Make a piece of hardware that can loop into the sewn end of a 1" tree strap or slipped in to the loop on a MSH. The other end has a hook for 7/64" amsteel. Small, easy to adjust, full proof, adjustable, light. Any interest?

[jrs]

why not use the "elephant trunks" from smartdoors, looks to be the same. They work great

[thesergeant]

why not use the "elephant trunks" from smartdoors, looks to be the same. They work great

Just googled them. Those are pretty cool and pretty similar to what I was thinking. I'd prefer something that I could slip onto a loop rather than run webbing through but the Elephant trunks are definitely cool. I haven't seen them before on the forum. I wonder why more people don't use them? Thanksss!!

[jrs]

they are excellent pieces of gear, I have used them hard and never a problem including using with !/8 amsteel, I have them on wbbb, dangerbird, wl night owl, others I use descending rings, found elephant trunks just as easy as rings. You'll like them

[Bikething]

The problem with that is the amount of leverage that will be on the right hand edge of the 'arm' that goes through the webbing - They'd have to be pretty substantial (i.e. HEAVY) to withstand the strain.

[HamMike]

trail stick, trail stick, trail stick. Took me awhile but once I went that route
I never looked back.
















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[dragon360]

Just move to a whoopie hook and you're laughing!


I use the Elephant trunks as well and they are great!

[affreeman]

Here's my idea: Make a piece of hardware that can loop into the sewn end of a 1" tree strap or slipped in to the loop on a MSH. The other end has a hook for 7/64" amsteel. Small, easy to adjust, full proof, adjustable, light. Any interest?

As a practical matter, how is this different than simply larks heading the whoopie to one end of the tree hugger and using a dutch clip to attach the tree hugger to itself?

[DemostiX]

Sew a hook into the tree strap eye. You don't need a machine to do it. It's an investment in skill building, and barely a commitment of resources, since you can always cut the stitching and recover the hook.

Too many adapters.

[weaver2469]

I like the idea. It is always cool to see new ideas. The big problem i see is that the position of the clip is fixed at the end of the loop. When it is at the end of the loop, it is at the end of the loop. With MSH and toggle, or elephant trunks, or dutch buckle, the point at which your whoopie attaches is moveable, depending on your situation. I have the same issue with the all in one suspensions, with the whoopie larks headed onto the loop of the strap. I don't really like having to loop the strap around a small tree several times, or using extenders on big trees. I like the position of the attachment to have some flexibility. Just my .02.