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    I've used sticks, rocks, shrubs, tied to a loop on my pack and set it far enough out to tension (wasn't expecting rain that night ) While sleeping on boulders I have used what was essentially a stick jam to hold some line in a crack. I have been dying to use this but haven't needed it yet.

    Necessity is the mother of invention. Once you're forced to make something work in your spot... or if you want the spot bad enough and you cant sink a stake for some reason you will come up with something to suffice for the night.

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    Ive often gone with out stakes, but its alot faster and easier to bring a few stakes along!
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    What about the LNT implications of moving and sawing dead sticks and rocks? There's often a whole ecosystem of life beneath these sorts of things.

    How about the damage to saplings with the tieout cord potentially rubbing against the bark all night? I've used both these methods before, but I'm always more comfortable using stakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy Lightning View Post
    What about the LNT implications of moving and sawing dead sticks and rocks? There's often a whole ecosystem of life beneath these sorts of things.

    How about the damage to saplings with the tieout cord potentially rubbing against the bark all night? I've used both these methods before, but I'm always more comfortable using stakes.
    Good point. I had considered the implications of tying off to bushes but not those to moving rocks. One of the major appeals of hammocking for me is LNT so this is certainly a major consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy Lightning View Post
    What about the LNT implications of moving and sawing dead sticks and rocks? There's often a whole ecosystem of life beneath these sorts of things.

    How about the damage to saplings with the tieout cord potentially rubbing against the bark all night? I've used both these methods before, but I'm always more comfortable using stakes.
    And when you drive stakes in the ground, you do not disturb anything, you do accidentally kill a bug or a wurm or....?

    I understand the LNT idea, and respect your choices but to me people can sometimes go a bit too far....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLRider View Post
    the annoyance of exerting energy at the end of a tiring day looking for stake substitutes is more than the annoyance of carrying the stakes, for me, at least
    ^^^Ditto

    That said, it's almost always easy to find something lying around that will work; sticks, rocks, other objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWinNC View Post
    ^^^Ditto

    That said, it's almost always easy to find something lying around that will work; sticks, rocks, other objects.
    Yep. And with a multitool you'd be carrying anyway, with a saw blade, you can cut a branch to length and sharpen a couple stakes in minimal time.

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    To each their own but if I'm not confident of being able to tie to other branches I don't mind carrying just one extra ounce. That's easier than looking for rocks or carving stakes. Maybe okay if it's a short hike and we're just enjoying being outdoors, but usually I'm beat by the time we get to camp.

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    I carry stakes but some times they just are not as usefule. I use everything, bushes, branches, sticks, boulders, and chock stones. If you are on a river, it seems like there is no end to the possibilities. My favorite is to find a small stone with a shape that easy to tie off to and wedge it behind a couple larger stones. then stack more stones on top to hold it in position.
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    LNT concerns have gotten way, way out of hand these days. I like the idea but I feel people go to the extreme.

    We came from the forest and we have every right to return. So what if I leave a few precision cut twigs or branches as opposed to the snapped foliage a bear or deer might leave? Felling trees is one thing but stakes? Seriously people. Get ahold of yourselves! :-D

    The impact of the 20+ lbs of nylon and plastic commercial goods on your back have already done more to this planet than you can imagine.

    If someone is gonna go off on me for LNT reasons, they had better be clothed in and carrying %100 natural, sustainable gear. Otherwise ya'll keep quiet!

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