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    Stakeless?

    Anyone go stakeless on trips? I'm.contemplating trying to use natural materials instead of stakes. What have you used?
    Ground=Cold+Hard+Wet

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    Besides carving stakes and well places trees, I've tried big rocks, big fallen branches, exposed roots.
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    I've never gone completely stakeless (the annoyance of exerting energy at the end of a tiring day looking for stake substitutes is more than the annoyance of carrying the stakes, for me, at least), but I have used several different things in lieu of stakes when they were convenient.

    Small bushes near to the hammock, fallen widowmakers, and the occasional sapling have all been pressed into service now and again. Heck, I even tied off the tarp's corner to a picnic table once.

    Hope it helps!

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    When you don't want stakes, or the ground is unsuitable for stakes, i.e. its too soft, or hard - make a cam out of a rock or stick & something else heavy.

    Typically I tie a slip knot around a stick, or small rock and then set a larger rock over the top of the line BETWEEN the tied piece and the tarp.

    The pros: Convenient way to set up a tarp when you don't have anywhere to place stakes. Quick and easy to do.

    Cons: Increased wear on guy lines, you need heavy objects to hold your tied piece in place. Not terribly heavy, but the heavier the more solid it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLRider View Post
    the annoyance of exerting energy at the end of a tiring day looking for stake substitutes is more than the annoyance of carrying the stakes, for me, at least
    ^^^Ditto

    That said, it's almost always easy to find something lying around that will work; sticks, rocks, other objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWinNC View Post
    ^^^Ditto

    That said, it's almost always easy to find something lying around that will work; sticks, rocks, other objects.
    Yep. And with a multitool you'd be carrying anyway, with a saw blade, you can cut a branch to length and sharpen a couple stakes in minimal time.

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    To each their own but if I'm not confident of being able to tie to other branches I don't mind carrying just one extra ounce. That's easier than looking for rocks or carving stakes. Maybe okay if it's a short hike and we're just enjoying being outdoors, but usually I'm beat by the time we get to camp.

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    I carry stakes but some times they just are not as usefule. I use everything, bushes, branches, sticks, boulders, and chock stones. If you are on a river, it seems like there is no end to the possibilities. My favorite is to find a small stone with a shape that easy to tie off to and wedge it behind a couple larger stones. then stack more stones on top to hold it in position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnelson871 View Post
    Anyone go stakeless on trips? I'm.contemplating trying to use natural materials instead of stakes. What have you used?
    50/60 years ago we carried axes and once in awhile cut stakes on site from green saplings (and they weren't very good). With LNT that's not an option, you will need to search out dead and down branches, and have an axe, saw or large knife to shape stakes. And it'd hard to find anything strong enough. With the advent of Ti stakes any weight savings would be neglible. Then picture setting up in a heavy rain and searching for stake material!!
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    Good points all. More a matter of principle for the full DIY kit I'm thinking up. Only will need two stakes
    Ground=Cold+Hard+Wet

    Solution!!!! Sleep in a TREE

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