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    Where's pic of Hennessy line and rings

    I want to keep the original Hennessy line on my hammock but want to try something else besides the figure 8 for hanging it. I seem to remember someone posting a picture of using tree huggers with rings in one of the hugger end loops. Then they ran line of Hennessy hammock through rings as the suspension.

    Can someone point me to that picture? I've attached pictures of what I did.

    I've made huggers with rings but my Hennessy line slips on the rings when I put weight on my hammock. Want to see someone else's pictures to see how they make the lashing through the 2 rings.

    I thread the line through the rings but without 2 half hitches to finish it out, it slips. When I put my full weight on hammock the half hitches get really tight and it's hard to readjust which is why I want the rings in the first place.

    If I can't do better, I might as well stick with figure 8 with regular tree huggers.

    Also with the way I am threading the line through the rings right now it seems like there is A LOT of pressure on the one spot where the rings clamped down on the line. Doesn't that do damage to the line in that spot? Or am I just being paranoid? Will take help and suggestions. Thanks!
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    Try sewing the rings into the loop as tightly as you can. In other words run another line of stitching right up close to the rings. The rings want to be pinched tightly in the webbing. Or... you could accomplish a similar thing by running a piece of rope through the loop in the webbing and attaching the rings with a prussic. Then run the suspension rope through the rings as you did.

    As an alternative... unitl I decided to divest myself of the stock rope entirely, I attached the rings near the whipping on the suspension rope and ran webbing from the tree to the rings. I finally decided I liked the system so much that I cut and locked off the stock ropes. Now I just hang with webbing and ring buckles.

    here's another thought... attach the rings with a prussic to the suspension lines. Run the suspension line through the huggers and bring them back to the rings and thread them there.
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    Ramblinrev,
    Do you have a photo of yours somewhere on here? (for us visual learners?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    As an alternative... unitl I decided to divest myself of the stock rope entirely, I attached the rings near the whipping on the suspension rope and ran webbing from the tree to the rings.
    That's my current system. I'm too chicken to cut the ropes and also scared to try to replace them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
    I want to keep the original Hennessy line on my hammock but want to try something else besides the figure 8 for hanging it. I seem to remember someone posting a picture of using tree huggers with rings in one of the hugger end loops. Then they ran line of Hennessy hammock through rings as the suspension.

    Can someone point me to that picture? I've attached pictures of what I did.

    I've made huggers with rings but my Hennessy line slips on the rings when I put weight on my hammock. Want to see someone else's pictures to see how they make the lashing through the 2 rings.

    I thread the line through the rings but without 2 half hitches to finish it out, it slips. When I put my full weight on hammock the half hitches get really tight and it's hard to readjust which is why I want the rings in the first place.

    If I can't do better, I might as well stick with figure 8 with regular tree huggers.

    Also with the way I am threading the line through the rings right now it seems like there is A LOT of pressure on the one spot where the rings clamped down on the line. Doesn't that do damage to the line in that spot? Or am I just being paranoid? Will take help and suggestions. Thanks!
    Hiya Happy Camper. Private Second Class GrizzlyAdams reporting for duty as requested M'am.

    Pictures here show how to make a Garda hitch through the rings. That I think is the core of your question. There are different ways to get the rings on the webbing. One is using a Marlinspike hitch as used in my post. One is to sew tightly as you mention, or put on a bit of cord as I've done and RR suggests, although his suggestion has you loop the cord and rings onto the webbing loop rather than a Marlinspike toggle.

    PvtSC Grizz

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    Hiya Happy Camper. Private Second Class GrizzlyAdams reporting for duty as requested M'am.

    Pictures here show how to make a Garda hitch through the rings. That I think is the core of your question. There are different ways to get the rings on the webbing. One is using a Marlinspike hitch as used in my post. One is to sew tightly as you mention, or put on a bit of cord as I've done and RR suggests, although his suggestion has you loop the cord and rings onto the webbing loop rather than a Marlinspike toggle.

    PvtSC Grizz

    OK, Grizz, I start following your directions and I'm thinkin' to myself, "This ain't too bad. This is really easier than it lo . . . little boom. I'm on the ground. I didn't do the ring lashing quite to spec and quickly slid to ground.

    Go back and look at pictures. Fixed problem, sit in it again, quite tentatively and BOOM! I'm on the ground again. My knot on spyderline gave out. Fixed it by doing simple overhand knot like you said. I don't know much about knots but I think I know more than I do and I just make them up. ("Don't thnk, Meat. You'll only hurt the ball club.")

    Anyway to get to the point. When I did it exactly the way you explained it, I didn't have any problems.

    Question: How strong of a toggle should I be using? Is there a lot of pressure on the toggle when you're in the hammock? I can't tell.

    2nd Question: Shouldn't you be a general or somthing by now?

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    Edit: Well I've been fooling with this for a while now and it just keeps getting quicker. I think this is the suspension for me. For now. Thanks Grizz!
    Last edited by HappyCamper; 08-24-2008 at 18:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
    Anyway to get to the point. When I did it exactly the way you explained it, I didn't have any problems.
    great, I'm glad it's working for you now.

    Question: How strong of a toggle should I be using? Is there a lot of pressure on the toggle when you're in the hammock? I can't tell.
    I'm using a 1/2" diameter dowel rod. Poplar I think...not even hardwood. The webbing spreads out the force a lot and this seems to be fine. I've been using mine now for a couple of months and I don't see any signs that the toggles are cracking or compressing.

    2nd Question: Shouldn't you be a general or somthing by now?
    I get busted in rank very time I tell a bad joke. I was nearly Lt. Col. last summer until I ginned up a Cheech and Chong skit about zealous moderators keeping threads on track, and slowhike busted me to buck private...

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    Edit: Well I've been fooling with this for a while now and it just keeps getting quicker. I think this is the suspension for me. For now. Thanks Grizz!
    The set up you've got now is pretty slick. I was using the Garda hitch on Vectran 12 for a couple of hangs but started to get concerned about what the "squeeze" on the cord in the rings was doing to the cord. The HH cord is sturdier stuff, and a lot closer to the diameter of climbing ropes on which the Garda hitch is frequently used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post

    The set up you've got now is pretty slick. I was using the Garda hitch on Vectran 12 for a couple of hangs but started to get concerned about what the "squeeze" on the cord in the rings was doing to the cord. The HH cord is sturdier stuff, and a lot closer to the diameter of climbing ropes on which the Garda hitch is frequently used.

    Grizz
    So then what did you switch to??

    Is there a name for this or will it now be know as the GRT suspension for the Grizz Rings/Toggle suspension?
    Last edited by HappyCamper; 08-24-2008 at 19:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
    So then what did you switch to??
    Basically a trucker's hitch with hardware assist. My suspension cord has a large (say, 4") bowline loop that goes over the toggle. About 6" down the cord from that I put an SMC ring on the cord using a clove hitch. The cord then goes to the hammock, where on most of my bridge hammocks there there is a ring of some king at the apex of the suspension triangle. If trees are close enough then the cord goes back and forth between the suspension apex and the SMC ring, and gets tied off with a slippery half hitch. If the trees are too far apart for the suspension cord to go all the way back to the SMC ring, I can either move the ring down the cord, or tie off at the suspension apex with a round turn and two half hitches.

    This has the weight advantage of using one fewer ring on each end. There is a bit more fussing about needed to adjust the length though.

    Much as I like the Garda hitch, I did not like the looks of the Vectran where it had been mashed several times by the rings in the same place. Fortunately the cord seems to be more-or-less self-healing. Also, my son's hammock has similar cord and that seems to be holding up better. So I dunno what's going on.

    Is there a name for this or will it now be know as the GRT suspension for the Grizz Rings/Toggle suspension?
    oh geez, I added so little to these ideas I'd be embarassed to have it named after me! I'd call it "Rings for COTS hammock suspensions" where COTS is an acyronm for "Common Off The Shelf" (a term used in computer system design, what I do), but that's no title to base an acyronm on.

    how about TS (Tracy's Suspension )

    Grizz
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