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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeBait View Post
    I prefer the hardware free strap through the loop method. Have been using it successfully for years. Some like hardware to make it easier/faster but it isn't necessary.
    nice!

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    1X for the hardware free method.
    K I S S ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whw View Post
    Thanks for the feedback guys. At least I know that there is no danger is passing the strap through the loop and not using biners/clips.

    My plan is to use a tree hugger which straps goes through the loop. Then on the strap tie a marlin spike hitch, but instead of using a toggle through the MSH loop, I clip on a biner. Then I secure the whoopie sling loop through the biner. Why the biner and not a toggle? I just feel safer knowing that the loop won't accidentally be lifted up over the knot and onto the toggle.

    There's nothing wrong with using a biner instead of a toggle with the marlin spike hitch right? Just want to double check before I try this out.

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    Yep! My suspension exactly (the hardware-free strap through the loop method). Only been using this on a few hangs so far, but folks who know more about knots than me say the Marlin will not slip when used this way. Biners? I use the Camp Nano Photon, 29 grams, climbing rated, and haven't found anything lighter (thanks Shug-- Again).
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    I agree with the 'set-up speed and convince' argument. That's what you will gain if using carabineers. However, if I were a gram counter or diehard do-withouter, I'd nix the carabineers... They are just another thing that takes up space, needs to be watched and maintained, and adds a weight cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulsemod View Post
    I agree with the 'set-up speed and convince' argument. That's what you will gain if using carabineers. However, if I were a gram counter or diehard do-withouter, I'd nix the carabineers... They are just another thing that takes up space, needs to be watched and maintained, and adds a weight cost.

    I agree, its just one more thing to worry about. Curious what folks would say is the advantage of a carabiner or dutch clip? Is only takes a few seconds to pull through 10 feet of strap.

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    So this isn't "gram counter" philosophy, but I like the weight of the carabiner to help me fling the tree strap around larger trees. Fling with one hand and catch with the other.

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    Yes you are right
    Some count grams
    Some count seconds
    Some count pennies

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    When it's really cold and your fingers don't want to work carbineers are quick and easy.
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    Almost everyone who has ever left their tree strap on the tree used the loop through the end way you use. When the strap is opened and closed at the tree it makes it less likely that you will leave your strap hanging on tree when you break camp

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    I used to use the pull through method, I now have switched to the carabiner clippon method.
    I always had trouble getting the hugger tight enough against the tree with the pull trough method, and they would then slip the last bit when I put my wieght in the hammock. This let to friction damage on the huggers, and after some 5 or so trips I had one badly damaged and the other one fail at a previously damaged point! This might be part of me starting to learn to work the straps(most damage happened on first 2 or 3 setups) or maybe a design flay specific to my situation.
    So I then made straps out of heavier/broader webbing then the ones I had bought before. I also folded the webbing in on itself at the loop points the create a smoother glide trough if I ever want/need to setup up without biners, and also to accomodate easier clip on of the biner.
    I've had these new ones out with me twice now and with the smooth ultra light weight DD-Hammocks biners sliding on there, I've no damage on my huggers for now.

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