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    Quote Originally Posted by funbun View Post
    *Sigh* you engineer types. 3.56 ounces saving then.
    Hey I would have rounded.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbishop351 View Post
    Taking the straps off isn't a big deal, at least with the CC buckles I use. From my limited experience with the biners (helping BD get his converted HH set up in my yard), I'm not sure that they're really that much more convenient. And if the straps get wet, they'd have to be removed for packing anyway. JMO.
    I think they're extremely convenient, especially combined with a blackbishop sack. Just some laziness on my part I guess... and yeah, if the straps get wet I'd take them off and try to get them to dry.

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    from looking at Jeffs page the biner would do damage to the tree. I thought that was a no-no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewker View Post
    from looking at Jeffs page the biner would do damage to the tree. I thought that was a no-no.
    Then don't use a biner

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    There's really not much pressure of the biner against the tree. Most of the force in on the part of the strap that goes around the back of the tree.

    I will probably drop the biners in the future just to save weight and use the through-the-loop method lVleph is talking about.
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    Jeff says (I think he does, anyway) that if you're worried about the 'biner doing damage, you could wrap the straps around a few times, and rest the 'biner on the straps. Certainly wouldn't want to do something to harm the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funbun View Post
    Yeah, I bought steel rings from Annapolis Performance Sailing. fugiduhboutit. 5.12 ounces for four rings (1.28 oz each).

    SMC's descending rings only weigh 1.56 ounces for four rings (.39 oz each)! I saved 4 ounces off my shelter just like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by lvleph View Post
    I just send the strap through a loop sewn in the other end of the strap.

    funbun how did you save 4oz? 0.39*4=1.56oz

    All of your weight talk got me worried. I checked and my descending rings from mountaingear.com weigh .4oz each or 1.6oz total. The same ish as yours.

    A side story on weight, I contacted my local outfitter to see if they had a biner that would be the same as the nano one. I try to buy locally when I can plus they are only 10 minutes away. I told him my weight/force needs and that it was for my hiking setup. The best he could do was one for 2oz. 2 of them would added 2 oz and doubled the weight of the biners in my setup. He said," its only 2oz." He was kind of surprised when I told him yeah but 2 here and 2 there add up to pounds pretty quickly.

    A side note that the people working there help you the best they can. But they don't always know what is best for you. After all none of them use hammocks or make any of their own gear.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewker View Post
    from looking at Jeffs page the biner would do damage to the tree. I thought that was a no-no.
    Couldn't you slip a small piece of closed cell foam under the biner between it and the tree and alleviate any tree damage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qpens View Post
    Couldn't you slip a small piece of closed cell foam under the biner between it and the tree and alleviate any tree damage?
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    Or maybe a stick?

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    Most of the force is on the back of the strap opposite the hammock. I don't think the biner would be putting much on the tree.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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