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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Me too; I still owe you that zipper!

    I really want to get another look at some of the speer stuff. I was awfully green at Trail Days; it might help to see it again now that I kinda know what I'm looking at/for.
    No bid deal on the zipper. If I get, OK, if not, well that's OK too.
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    Taking any bets on if rings outnumber buckles at Hot Springs, or if it's flipped?

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    use the lighter regular nine, connected to 1 loop of the tree strap via 6" of cord, like rings are commonly attached to a hammock body with. when you larks head the tree with your strap, the nine is already on the end ready for use.



    Quote Originally Posted by schrochem View Post
    I bet if they made it out of a different alloy, say titanium, these things would be very useful.
    this would cut down on the weight quite a bit using the new biner/9
    I see thin spyderline coming off the hammock, attached to the teeth of the nine, with the biner clipping through loops of a tree hugger.

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    Turk,
    just did some more testing, i filed the bottom three teeth off the 9, so it is just a v-slot, my line is all the way at the bottom of the notch now, and the line can now run freely without getting snagged on the teeth. (the way i tie goes through the teeth first). this may or may not be the best way(no teeth at all), but it still holds, the advised wrap won't even hold 20# with teeth removed.

    i started by just rounding the teeth a bit, this seemed good b/c the rope in the notch alone would still hold the unweighted hammock, nice b/c you could go back and forth once or twice adjusting it to get the ends right, and then lock it off when you're done, but even with the round teeth you have to pull it out of the slot to make an adjustment, which isn't that big of a deal, but i wanted to see if it would still hold with no teeth so i filed them the rest of the way off, and now the rope pulls freely through the notch for adjustment purposes and still holds when wraped, but won't hold the weight of the unweighted hammock unless the wrap is finished, so a person might have to wrap and unwrap a couple of times to make any adjustments.

    the more i think about it, it's probably fastest to file them so that they don't damage the rope, but leave enough so the line in the notch alone holds the unweighted hammock, and just pull from notch to adjust, that way you only tie the wrap once, when you're done adjusting, instead of once for every adjustment.

    don't even bother with the caribiner 9, it's twice as heavy. i connected the regular 9 to one end of a tree strap via 6" of cord.

    i'll probably try this on one end of my suspension to see how much i like it compared to my regular knot.

    160#

    pics on the way.

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    ok, here's some pics and more info,

    tried the small 9's. i gave them the bounce test, they did not fail, which is suprising, although as you can see from the pic, they did bend quite a bit, what i think is interesting is that rather than bend open, they bent closed, so much so that i had to pry them open with pliers to remove the rope. i then bent them back to the deformed position for the picture.

    these things are TINY, which makes me think the big ones are plenty strong.

    here's a possible setup with each end of the hammock consisting of a 6' tree strap and 8' of line. (14' total length @ each end)

    12' of 1" owf polyester tree straps=74g
    16' of 3mm yale vectrus 12=29g
    large regular fig. 9=31g x 2=62g

    total=165g/5.9 oz.

    the different wrap holds alot more securely than the one they show on their website, with their wrap, it's the teeth that hold the rope, which can't be good. i didn't try their wrap at all, just assumed it would shred my rope. after i filed the teeth all the way off the nine, i tied their wrap, and it slipped with just a pull from my arm (10-20#), whereas the new wrap still holds nicely with no slipping.

    i attached the nine to one end of the tree strap with a double sheet bend, and the nine to the other end of the short rope with a clove hitch.
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    here's the fig. nine especial.

    the regular large fig nine is listed as 30 or 31 grams. both the ones i bought weighed 29g on my scale. after fabrication, it weighs 17g.

    thats almost an oz. lighter for a set. 34g instead of 58/62g.

    just under 1.25 oz for a set of two. not bad

    this brings the weight of the total suspension down to 5 oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    being a gearhead, I have them all (except the hitchcraft do-dad). Measured to 0.1 ounce on a postal scale.

    1 cc buckle : 1 oz.
    2 SMC descender rings : 0.8 oz.
    1 Large (150# rated) figure-9 thing-a-ma-bob : 1.1 oz.
    1 Small (50# rated) figure-9 thing-a-ma-bob : 0.1 oz.
    1 zig-zag plastic cleat : 1.3 oz.

    I'm not climbing into a hammock suspended by the little figure 9's. The big ones look and feel very substantial though.

    So it looks to me like the deciding factor weight-wise comes in
    whether you use 1" webbing or something really lightweight such as
    2.8 mm Spyderline.

    Last night I wandered over to Sgt. Rock's site and saw a pretty complete analysis by TeeDee, including the weight of webbing vs. cord. He takes the cc buckle to be 1.6 oz, so either he has a different one, or is using someone elses data, or is mis-informed on that weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    here's the fig. nine especial.

    the regular large fig nine is listed as 30 or 31 grams. both the ones i bought weighed 29g on my scale. after fabrication, it weighs 17g.

    thats almost an oz. lighter for a set. 34g instead of 58/62g.

    just under 1.25 oz for a set of two. not bad

    this brings the weight of the total suspension down to 5 oz.
    wow!
    and your butt's still fine?
    you got balls!

    how dow you have the webbing?
    I think the 9 could be left tied on if you tied the vectrus to one of the webbing loops and just fed the 9 through the other loop to make a cinch around the tree.
    They would still be separate pieces from the hammock though.
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    yeah, that's kinda how it is now, the nine is permanently tied to one end of the tree strap via the 6" line. the nine stays attached to the end of the tree strap. you just insert the nine end of the strap through the regular end of the strap, so there is a girth hitch/larks head around the tree with the nine hanging from the end of the webbing. the 8' cord is attached to the hammock like a standard setup, and just wraps the nine instead of entering the sewn webbing loop.


    Quote Originally Posted by schrochem View Post
    wow!
    and your butt's still fine?
    you got balls!

    how dow you have the webbing?
    I think the 9 could be left tied on if you tied the vectrus to one of the webbing loops and just fed the 9 through the other loop to make a cinch around the tree.
    They would still be separate pieces from the hammock though.

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    i don't think it's any weaker than before.

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    and your butt's still fine?
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