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    Quote Originally Posted by SilvrSurfr View Post
    Just remember that knots in Amsteel derate the rope by up to 50 percent.
    Wow! That much?? That's good to know. I guess I need to pull those knots out and mark the points I've measured and use clove hitches to hold things in place.
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    You don't necessarily need to get rid of knots. Just use the right ones. Figure 8 follow-thru is a good knot. It's what I use to repel and rescue at the Fire Dept. IMHO...the best life safety knot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathC View Post
    You don't necessarily need to get rid of knots. Just use the right ones. Figure 8 follow-thru is a good knot. It's what I use to repel and rescue at the Fire Dept. IMHO...the best life safety knot.
    What I have in there now are "wiremans" knots. They maintain directional force along the rope. It's the same knot used to pull tension in rope bridges.
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    Knots in ropes unlike welds in metal do not strengthen the base material, but weaken it - this is due to the separate forces at work on the knot and the different forces of friction (depending on the knot) - It would be for this reason that I would question what type of knot is in use to create the anchor points for the hammock to hang from. In this case, an alpine butterfly (mid-line knot, butterfly knot, etc) may produce the best use as it doesn't slip, won't weaken the rope as much and provide the best directional loading possible.

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    Ah, it seems you've already indicated what type of knot you were using - sorry about that
    The alpine butterfly would be preferred over the Wireman's knot because of the internal tension/friction placed on the rope - plus it allows for easier disassembly when you need to alter your hammock sag - with all the same directional loading as the Wireman's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob In AL View Post
    In the picture I am. However, I was so impressed with the Amsteel that I replaced the carabiners with Amsteel loops [1]


    [1] Like a whoopie sling but tied, not the slick, pretty splice
    As SS mentioned here, and many more on this forum, be careful with knots.

    I myself wouldn't suspect Amsteel to fail by being knotted with proper setup (no unnecessary forces due to improper hang angles), But Opie's 'ropecrafting' posts make splicing a much less daunting task than it appears. Well worth the look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenvre View Post
    As SS mentioned here, and many more on this forum, be careful with knots.

    I myself wouldn't suspect Amsteel to fail by being knotted with proper setup (no unnecessary forces due to improper hang angles), But Opie's 'ropecrafting' posts make splicing a much less daunting task than it appears. Well worth the look!
    I tried the splicing thing many years ago [1] and came to the conclusion that I am A) All thumbs when it comes to splicing and B) Short, thick fingers have their uses, fine detail work isn't one of them. That said, I plan to get some MIG wire and make a splicing needle and give it a go again.
    As for knots, I'm comfortable with knots having tied many prior to rappelling off cliffs, a building or 12 (roof and window), and out of a helicopter a few dozen times [2].


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