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    Zing-it too slippery for prusiks?

    I recently switched to a zing-it prusiks to hold my tarp to a zing-it rideline. It works ok, but new zing-it is just too slippery for a taught line. The stuff seems to have a silicone coating. Even when wrapped 3-4 times, it still slips. My old amsteel line/loops held the tension fine.

    Ill be playing with different types of loops this weekend, but Im looking for any insight. Would amsteel loops hold better on the zing-it line? Or paracord? Or roughed up zing-it?

    I dont want to have to go back to figure-9s, the sharp edges dont sit well with me.

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    The coating on the Zing-it will wear off some after use and your prussicks will not tend to slip as much.

    Another option that I prefer over prussicks for a CRL is the Klemheist knot. I find it holds better. Keep in mind that it is a directional knot and will only hold when pulled from the correct direction.


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    I had bought some black polyester drawcord from DIY Gear Supply a while back for another project but didn't use it after all. I tried it for the purpose you describe, and it worked great on zing it. It has something of a rough surface that really seems to grab well. It has a tiny core like 550 paracord that I removed to help flatten it out. I don't know if it is worth the cost with shipping alone, but it's only $.21 a yard. Yes, a yard! Scott could probably mail it in a regular envelope if you only wanted a small quantity. I have chopped up what I have so much I doubt I have enough to help you.

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    If I have 1.75mm zing it, what would be a good diameter rope to use, larger, smaller, or the same for prussics or kleimhest? I am in the process of making me a single line ridgeline for my tarp replicating whoopieslings.com version. So I need prussics or a kleimhest knot, just curious if something bites better than another. Thanks!
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    Your 1.75 should work just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadphans View Post
    If I have 1.75mm zing it, what would be a good diameter rope to use, larger, smaller, or the same for prussics or kleimhest? I am in the process of making me a single line ridgeline for my tarp replicating whoopieslings.com version. So I need prussics or a kleimhest knot, just curious if something bites better than another. Thanks!
    Rule of thumb is prussic line needs to be smaller diameter than what it is attaching to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiknhanger View Post
    Rule of thumb is prussic line needs to be smaller diameter than what it is attaching to.
    yep, I've got some gray tech line on 1.75 zing-it and it works great.

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    You can use 1.75 mm Zing-It prusiks on your 1.75 mm Zing-It Ridgeline. Instead of three wraps, make four. That's what I use on all my ridgelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiffnuke View Post
    The coating on the Zing-it will wear off some after use and your prussicks will not tend to slip as much.

    Another option that I prefer over prussicks for a CRL is the Klemheist knot. I find it holds better. Keep in mind that it is a directional knot and will only hold when pulled from the correct direction.

    I also prefer the Klemheist. Here is a photo of my tarp with the Klemheist on the tie out-line....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadphans View Post
    If I have 1.75mm zing it, what would be a good diameter rope to use, larger, smaller, or the same for prussics or kleimhest? I am in the process of making me a single line ridgeline for my tarp replicating whoopieslings.com version. So I need prussics or a kleimhest knot, just curious if something bites better than another. Thanks!
    If you want your friction hitches (prussic, kleimheist, etc) to hold effectively they need to be made from a line smaller in diameter than the line they will be attached to. Their use comes from the climbing world and has been adapted to hammock and tarp use. The usual method to get friction hitches made from the same size line to hold is to use more wraps. 4 or 5 wraps should do it. My continuous tarp ridgeline is made from 2.2mm line and I have prussics made from 1.75mm line and they hold great with 3 wraps as intended. In your case you could also use braided masons line for your friction hitches with your 1.75mm line.

    Remember for tarp guy out use it is advantageous to have your friction hitch slip beyond a certain force in order to prevent your tarp from ripping.

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