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    I'll do a little research and see about putting together a group buy on these biners.

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    I would buy at least four biners

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    I'll buy at least 4.
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    sounds like a poll might be in order to keep track of how many are being ordered....
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    I saw a few things in all this that brought up a concern. FishBone is talking about using these on a ridgeline system. The suspension lines connecting to the trees have greater forces on them than the ridgeline.

    One concern/question is are these going to be used for the suspension lines and if they are, are they strong enough. The 500kg rating imprinted on them translates to 1100 lbs, or 4.9 kN (a kN is approxiamately 225 lbs). The Camp Nano Wire carabiners are rated at 22kN. Those are just the gate closed strength with in-line forces and doesn't take into account other forces, like the side/lateral motion when wrapped around trees. (When wrapped around trees on the end of webbing, there can be some force trying to bend the carabiner to comform to the curve of the tree.)

    There is quite a bit of difference in 4.9 kN versus 22 kN and is that difference a concern in the applications it will be used for? Does anyone know enough about this to answer that?
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    Clarification: I'll be using these 'biners to suspend my hammock from a ridgeline system that will take the load (see posts by NEST). Ridgeline will be made up of 1" webbing clipped to trrees with a CAMP nano biner, then to a SMC ring, tied to Amsteel Blue ridgeline; alpine knots in Amsteel to clip the Lazer biners/hammock to. Pretty much the system I saw NEST have at the last MidTN hammock hangout. I'll let all know if I hit the ground!
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    Sign me up for 4.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    I saw a few things in all this that brought up a concern. FishBone is talking about using these on a ridgeline system. The suspension lines connecting to the trees have greater forces on them than the ridgeline.

    One concern/question is are these going to be used for the suspension lines and if they are, are they strong enough. The 500kg rating imprinted on them translates to 1100 lbs, or 4.9 kN (a kN is approxiamately 225 lbs). The Camp Nano Wire carabiners are rated at 22kN. Those are just the gate closed strength with in-line forces and doesn't take into account other forces, like the side/lateral motion when wrapped around trees. (When wrapped around trees on the end of webbing, there can be some force trying to bend the carabiner to comform to the curve of the tree.)

    There is quite a bit of difference in 4.9 kN versus 22 kN and is that difference a concern in the applications it will be used for? Does anyone know enough about this to answer that?
    Can one of out resident quants mathmatically analyze the forces on the biner used for a suspension? I remember the thread about the strength of the suspension line/rope, but the forces against the biner (webbing and ring setup) are different. Worst case scenario...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishBone View Post
    Clarification: I'll be using these 'biners to suspend my hammock from a ridgeline system that will take the load (see posts by NEST). Ridgeline will be made up of 1" webbing clipped to trrees with a CAMP nano biner, then to a SMC ring, tied to Amsteel Blue ridgeline; alpine knots in Amsteel to clip the Lazer biners/hammock to. Pretty much the system I saw NEST have at the last MidTN hammock hangout. I'll let all know if I hit the ground!
    I'm hoping I get two of these with "Nest" on them for Christmas for the same use.
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