Excuse me for leaving off the 94 on your name ftroop94 . I'm terrible with names Hey bearpaw on wednesday i hiked/climbed from suck creek road to signal point via middle creek and the bottom of rainbow falls. All tracks put it at 1000 +/- in just over 2 miles .. am i wrong that you think it would take 4 trips to equal saturdays climb , if so im out. My knees would be crying. I haven't hiked at Savage gulf before. I would like to recon beforehand. Any input? I have been hiking with the hiking clubs here in town and I'm guessing from the topo maps that its like the hike in and out of imodium falls from heiss trailhead CTC only shorter ???