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    Senior Member DemostiX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    I am looking at this very differently Jayson I have stealth camped all over England and Wales. The soil is far more forgiving there than here... Here it is very rocky and in my yard the nails will not work... The plastic knobs will not work. The pucks with holes will make a huge difference. The struts are awesome - if they can accept other manufactures. The ideas are sound.
    I'd like a bit of info on the different loads at the three plates.

    I will say up-front that patents and patents pending on this design should be respected. I've been here at HF long enough to see that nobody else has presented either the analysis of loads and forces or suggested the engineering solutions. So: Kudos and profits to the company that brought this to market.

    That said, Wise Old Owl's presentation cannot be uncommon. Everybody who has tried to drive stakes -- more often in the population of campers for a tarp or tent because hammockers are more rare -- has faced this problem.

    The difference with tent or tarp / rain-fly is that the exact location of the stake is not critical. Small rock in the way? No problem. Try again somewhere within a foot / 30cm radius. Surprised to hit a root? No sweat. There may be optimal locations, but second best, even 3 feet / 1 meter elsewhere is likely OK, at worst with a few adjustments to other lines.

    So, Jason: When presented with a lot of difficult soil, which plates and spots on the grid are most critical in getting the stakes well-anchored? Or, does your analysis and engineering design result in well-shared loads?
    Last edited by DemostiX; 06-12-2013 at 14:48.

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    You can get away with single stakes if they are strong enough and staked at a 60?degree

    http://theultimatehang.com/2013/04/3...hammock-stand/
    http://galton.org/cgi-bin/searchImag...ravel_0178.htm

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    Hi DemostiX

    If you are in rocky ground your best bet it to locate one of the ground-anchor plates first then find a spot for its partner plate. Bringing the anchors closer together slightly does alter the geometry of the struts/guy-lines and the associated stresses so try to keep deviations small from the but if you try to keep the strut angled at about 60 degrees and the struts in the same vertical plane you should be ok.

    The sag factor of the hammock can be varied quite a lot so if needbe bring the 2nd strut (and its ground anchors) closer if it avoids rocky patches. 10-12 inches is fine much more nd you butt will start getting close to the ground.

    Basically, try to keep the struts close to 60 and in a vertical plane and the anchors as wide as their tethers will allow and symetrical.
    Handy Hammock: The Worlds lightest portable hammock stand (54 ounces inc hammock)

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    Review: Handy Hammock stand!

    I have made the recommended adjustments to to the system to fit my hammock and to secure the disks for quicker set up. I have one question to those of you that have made the adjustments. How do you pack up the disks with all the rope attached? The first time I packed it, I wound the rope carefully, but when I set it up a few days later it was a rats nest of rope. I have a system that works now, but I'll bet someone else has a better way to store them. I would appreciate any thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C&PDad View Post
    How do you pack up the disks with all the rope attached? The first time I packed it, I wound the rope carefully, but when I set it up a few days later it was a rats nest of rope. I have a system that works now, but I'll bet someone else has a better way to store them. I would appreciate any thoughts.
    Very important. As with traditional UQ suspensions, highly adjustable with long cords, untangle time is hard to predict and never welcome.

    How about tongue depressers, 6" x 1", with a diagonal slot near each end as mini-cordage coilers? For safety of gear, cut the equivalent out of the sides of plastic containers.

    I use 1/2" x 4" Velcro strips on all tarp tieouts to manage that stuff.

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    Review: Handy Hammock stand!

    I just fold in half a couple of times and then tie it off with an overhand knot.

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