Burrow0* or Burrow20* ? ? Any thoughts ?

[G...Hawk]

Back from a wonderful NJWinterHang happy to 3* in my vanCamping-DIY-heavy-double-fleece-TQ-+downjackets+.

Love winter hanging ! !

Want to upgrade my backpacking TQ.
Have a DIY IX-multi-layer-season-adjustable-TQ that has successfully taken me to the occasional below 30* with wearing my down clothes.

On the drive home from the NJWinterHang decided to buy a Burrow0* since I like winter camping so much in NJ NY PA.

Then thinking : perhaps Burrow20* would give a wider range, into the shoulder seasons.
Burrow0* may be overkill if venting it is necessary most of the time .

Any thoughts ?


G

[breyman]

A 20* is (usually) the best choice for a first quilt. If you already have one, though, that runs around 30*, I'd think the 20* is too close to it, unless you're really going with something to save space/weight. If that's less of an issue, I'd personally go with the 0*, or perhaps at the most, a 20* with 2-3 ounces of overstuff to bring you down to around 10.

[G...Hawk]

A 20* is (usually) the best choice for a first quilt. If you already have one, though, that runs around 30*, I'd think the 20* is too close to it, unless you're really going with something to save space/weight. If that's less of an issue, I'd personally go with the 0*, or perhaps at the most, a 20* with 2-3 ounces of overstuff to bring you down to around 10.

or perhaps at the most, a 20* with 2-3 ounces of overstuff to bring you down to around 10.

A possible solution, good to bridge the temps.
Space and weight is always a consideration but in winter comfort is first.

Thanks, breyman.

G

[stevebo]

A 20* is (usually) the best choice for a first quilt. If you already have one, though, that runs around 30*, I'd think the 20* is too close to it, unless you're really going with something to save space/weight. If that's less of an issue, I'd personally go with the 0*, or perhaps at the most, a 20* with 2-3 ounces of overstuff to bring you down to around 10.

I agree--------its a beautiful piece of equiptment, but as a cold sleeper, I would never take it down to 20 degrees!

[Str1der]

I agree with some of the advice above. The UQ is where you don't want to skimp on loft. It is also much easier (IMHO) to vent, so make sure that your UQ can handle the lowest low you intend to go . I've used my 0* Incubator in lows as high as the upper 50s without roasting by simply venting it well and adjusting my top insulation. Once you have your UQ options sorted, you can make TQ adjustments.

The TQ can be easily supplimented with clothing, liners, or even a second TQ or sleeping bag if not backpacking, so I might err on the side of less warmth there. If you will be bringing down clothing for day warmth anyway, you might be able to save a few ounces on your TQ by simply wearing some of that clothing to bed. That practice might also serve you well if you need to get up during the night. If you do end up choosing the 0* TQ, then I wouldn't recomend the snaps. You upgraded from the 20* to the 0* for a reason, so why compomise the 0* with a less effective foot seal? If I were camping in weather that was cold enough to warrant a 0* TQ, I would make absolutely sure my feet were gonna be warm!

[G...Hawk]

From the Hammockgear site :

Should I consider over stuffing my quilt?

Some people get it to stabilize the goose down insulation a bit. While it shines as a high lofting, very efficient substance, it lacks much substance (which is why it is so packable) and therefore tends to shift if one is not careful when packing and unpacking it from its stuff sack. Over stuffing also helps maintain loft a bit better if it will be long periods of extended use with infrequent washings.


Thinking hard and imagining what conditions I will be backpacking in.
Burrow0* will insure the simplest setup for 1 or 2, Jan and Feb camping trips.
Burrow20* will cover March with or without extra down clothing, but Jan and Feb will likely need much additional down and insulation.

Have exchanged emails with Stormcrow, he was helpfull.
Now I must imagine.


G

[Sidewinder]

If you love winter hanging get the HG 0* it's my favorite of all my quilts. I will use it from 40* and lower. Above 40 I will use my summer set. Hardly ever use my 20*. That said, I'm a cold sleeper and like lots of warmth. I also like to have the margin of safety should the temps go lower then anticipated.

I'm mixed about overstuffng. I'd say no more then 20% if you do. Good luck choosing!

S

[G...Hawk]

If you love winter hanging get the HG 0* it's my favorite of all my quilts. I will use it from 40* and lower. Above 40 I will use my summer set. Hardly ever use my 20*. That said, I'm a cold sleeper and like lots of warmth. I also like to have the margin of safety should the temps go lower then anticipated.

S

Sidewinder,

That is very helpful.
You have both and generally select the 0* to bring. Hardly ever use my 20*

40* is an interesting divide, it is also somewhat a point of safely switching to a warmer weather setup.

Thanks for your point of view.

G

[HamMike]

Yeah I'd say if you like winter camping go with the 0. A 20deg with 900 fill is actually a 15deg.

[G...Hawk]

Yeah I'd say if you like winter camping go with the 0.

HamMike,

Thanks for the opinion.

That seems to be the logical choice, if I like winter camping.

G