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    I'll be glad to sleep with your food bag MM. I sleep with mine in my hammock under my knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineMan View Post
    I think this is it.
    Dutch toggles (thin wall ti tubes with polished line holes, grooves on the ends to help lock the slip knot and/or hold boots or pack in place?
    Exactly what I was thinking yesterday afternoon on the drive home from work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineMan View Post
    check out Lonewolf over at Whiteblaze....24,000 miles on the AT and slept with food in his tent every time.
    Me, I just prefer to lay my food bag under someone elses hammock

    Back to the topic at hand.
    Let's go over the advantages:
    1. even more variable in length than a whoopie?
    2. can be set up via carabiner as one system=less likely to leave tree hugger
    3. its radical and you'll be the coolest at the next group hang
    4. more?

    Cons:
    1. slower to adjust than a whoopie (but not by much)
    2. keeps your mouth off the amsteel (i've seen hangers use their teeth
    to hold the hammock rig while adjusting the whoopie and amsteel is
    probably rough on the enamel
    3. Dont loose that fancy Dutch Ti toggle! yes something else to keep up with
    and harder to fabricate in the field compared to a MSH
    4. more?
    Actually if you blunted the end of the amsteel line by feeding it back in on itself it should make a end piece that prevent the toggle from ever leaving the amsteel.

    I pictured a single piece of amsteel with a loop on one end that you would attach to the tree strap via a larkshead and a knot or knob on the other end with the toggle floating in between.

    Unless I am picturing it wrong. Being left-handed that is totally possible. I never seem to grasp things in the same manner as most folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineMan View Post
    I think this is it.
    Dutch toggles (thin wall ti tubes with polished line holes, grooves on the ends to help lock the slip knot and/or hold boots or pack in place?
    Like a feather on the wind, lets see where the wind takes it...

    I like your thinking!
    Not knowing much about Ti, you would have to be careful about how thin the wall is, the compression in the initial bend out of the hole is pretty significant and only 1/2 the diameter of the tube would be supporting it. Just thinking out loud.

    Heck, I want a set...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumbo View Post
    Actually if you blunted the end of the amsteel line by feeding it back in on itself it should make a end piece that prevent the toggle from ever leaving the amsteel.

    I pictured a single piece of amsteel with a loop on one end that you would attach to the tree strap via a larkshead and a knot or knob on the other end with the toggle floating in between.

    Unless I am picturing it wrong. Being left-handed that is totally possible. I never seem to grasp things in the same manner as most folks.
    Youve got it, larks head using a fixed loop to the tree strap, back splice or another loop (or knot) and the toggle wont slide off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.M. Knotlost View Post
    ...Not knowing much about Ti, you would have to be careful about how thin the wall is...
    That's what I was thinking. I can't see anything good happening from wrapping amsteel around a dull knife and hanging from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.M. Knotlost View Post
    Youve got it, larks head using a fixed loop to the tree strap, back splice or another loop (or knot) and the toggle wont slide off.
    I can see where if you looped both ends it would be make set up a tiny bit faster as well as set up near dark as there would be no 'wrong' end so all things equal a second loop might be the best choice.

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    can someone post the diagram as a pic, so i can view it on my ipad

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubbockhammockguy View Post
    can someone post the diagram as a pic, so i can view it on my ipad
    You should be able to open the pdf on your iPad. I can on my iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubbockhammockguy View Post
    can someone post the diagram as a pic, so i can view it on my ipad
    Here you go
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