Dutch tarp flys vs a prussic knot issue?

[craige]

Here is another way of doing it...

If I understand detail man right then that is the same method, I use it too! I believe dejoha first showed it, and it works great.

Edit: yup, here is the thread/video: https://hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63271

[Pretbek]

The short answer is your trees are too close together for your tarp. I began hanging with a setup just like yours. For my 12' tarp I needed at least 15' between trees to overcome the issue you described. 16' was better.

Because I got tired of the prussic slipping during the night (even with extra wraps) I changed to what I consider a better method. Fire in My Bones first showed it to me. It uses the same line and hardware you already have, just a different way of using it. It eliminates prussics altogether, and can be used with trees closer together than the method you described.

The CRL runs thru the d-ring on each end of the tarp. One end goes around the tree and clips back to the d-ring on that end of the tarp. The other end goes around the other tree and secures to a tarp flyz attached to the tarp d-ring. The tarp can be centered between trees from one end, and the pitch stays more taut thru the night.

If anyone knows of a video showing this, put the link in please.

That's funny, I just moved away from this setup to prussiks like the OP described.

At my last hang the hammock would rub against the tarp suspension and make a twanging sound that reverberated through my hammock into my head. I couldn't change the "V" enough to resolve it, because its size is determined by the location of the D-ring of the tarp.
I wanted a way to shape the "V" independently, so now I make a CRL and hang my tarp from prussiks.

Now I just hope the prussiks won't start sliding on me too, or I will have to change my setup again.

[Detail Man]

If I understand detail man right then that is the same method, I use it too! I believe dejoha first showed it, and it works great.

Edit: yup, here is the thread/video: https://hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63271

You are correct, Craige. I was describing Derek's (dejoha) method.

[Rolloff]

As stated the distance between trees is the major offender. It's too short. Came upon the same thing this last weekend.

If the prussics are slipping and additional wraps don't work, are you using the same diameter line for prussics and CRL? That usually doesn't work too well. All my cordage prototypes are braided mason line, until I'm willing to spend for the Dyneema, and I've noticed that too.

[Detail Man]

I couldn't change the "V" enough to resolve it, because its size is determined by the location of the D-ring of the tarp.
I wanted a way to shape the "V" independently, so now I make a CRL and hang my tarp from prussiks.

The V is a function of a couple of variables, tree diameter and distance between trees relative to tarp length. The first affects the base size of the V/triangle against the tree. The second affects the length of the V from the tree to the tarp end.

Another variable is the height the hammock is hung relative to the tarp height. All of these variables can effect if/how the hammock suspension touches the tarp suspension.

I'm not sure how you mean the d-ring effects the V, unless you mean the distance between the tarp end/d-ring and the tree as I mentioned above.

[doogie]

Beat me to it 1 Hung Low.

I made some small loops with dyneema fishing line to attach directly to a loop at the ends of my tarp, bypassing the d-ring and eliminating the keyring. I've seen the keyrings leave rust stains on tents in the past.

Derek shows it here: The details are between 4:55 and 7:00.

+1 on this method. I came up with the same idea of splicing the tarp flyz onto my tarp after I deformed a cheap key ring. Here is my video on it. I love this system.

[Pretbek]

I'm not sure how you mean the d-ring effects the V, unless you mean the distance between the tarp end/d-ring and the tree as I mentioned above.

That.
I meant to indicate the tarp end.

[Jcavenagh]

And here is my version of dejoha's Dutchware tarp suspension...starts at 2:50

[Armor Like Fire]

Dang lol guess I didn't need to buy so many mini carabeaners and Dutch foys since I already had stingers! Haha oh well can still say I got to test me out a bit.

Alright so I'll try that running the CRL threw under my tarp and grew the tie outs. One end of the CRL has a mini carabiner and the other end just line that will be sinched up usng my Dutch stinger that's attatched rite fly to my tarp for closer hangs awesome! I was trying to think this whole situation threw before I ordered the flys but oh well got it figuered out now new tricks thanks a tone guys!!!