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    Hand Sanitizers

    I was looking for some other information and ran into this article on hand sanitizers. Given the way they seem to be replacing soap in basic hygiene it seems appropriate to share the message:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/health...-toxic-upwave/

    Bottom line is the non alcohol ones are of dubious value. I am also leary of using the toxic alcohols on skin on a regular basis.
    YMMV

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    They say I need to wash with soap even under my nails - how do I manage that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilvrSurfr View Post
    They say I need to wash with soap even under my nails - how do I manage that?
    With a nail brush of course.

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    IMHO...

    sanitizers are for killin germs, they don't clean

    soap is for cleaning

    too much attention is being given to sanitizers and sterile

    and we have forgotten the simple act of washing, when we are dirty

    look back in time, when kids played outside, got dirty, ate mud pies, fell off their toys, got bunged up and so on...

    we washed up with soap n water, covered open wounds, splinted broken bones and went on

    for me n mine, we use simple soap n water

    http://www.drbronner.com/

    http://jrliggett.com/

    at home as well as on the trail

    this opinion will, no doubt, raise a lot of discussion

    let the fun begin
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    Quote Originally Posted by swoody126 View Post
    IMHO...

    sanitizers are for killin germs, they don't clean

    soap is for cleaning

    too much attention is being given to sanitizers and sterile

    and we have forgotten the simple act of washing, when we are dirty

    look back in time, when kids played outside, got dirty, ate mud pies, fell off their toys, got bunged up and so on...

    we washed up with soap n water, covered open wounds, splinted broken bones and went on

    for me n mine, we use simple soap n water

    http://www.drbronner.com/

    http://jrliggett.com/

    at home as well as on the trail

    this opinion will, no doubt, raise a lot of discussion

    let the fun begin
    +1. we live in a sterile world (in all sense).
    Isn't it why we escape to the woods?
    Sterile is for the O.R
    Dirt is for the backcountry.

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    +2 I am a nurse and understand the value of sanitizers in the hospital setting. However, at home or in the woods it's soap and water for me. The only time I reach for sanitizer in the woods is when I pull out my first aid kit to work on someone other than myself. The use of sanitizers in the hospital, for me, is more to keep a patient's germs from getting to me than vice-versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchycamp View Post
    +1. we live in a sterile world (in all sense).
    Isn't it why we escape to the woods?
    Sterile is for the O.R
    Dirt is for the backcountry.
    +1

    Absent deep open wounds there is no need for sterile in our day to day world. Soap and water haved worked fine for the first five decades of my life.
    (insert pithy quote here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swoody126 View Post
    IMHO...

    sanitizers are for killin germs <snip>
    for me n mine, we use simple soap n water
    <snip>

    at home as well as on the trail

    this opinion will, no doubt, raise a lot of discussion

    let the fun begin
    +1
    Pouring all those 'antibacterial' chemicals into the environment couldn't be connected to the evolution of 'superbugs', could it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaGuy View Post
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    Pouring all those 'antibacterial' chemicals into the environment couldn't be connected to the evolution of 'superbugs', could it??
    most hand sanitizers simply use alcohol. Superbugs don't adapt to alcohol. the problem is in the antibacterial soaps, which use a different kind of chemical to kill bacteria. Bacteria do adapt to those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaGuy View Post
    +1
    Pouring all those 'antibacterial' chemicals into the environment couldn't be connected to the evolution of 'superbugs', could it??
    the antibacterial chemicals in most hand sanitizers is alcohol, which can be a natural product.
    Time is but the stream I go afishing in. Henry David Thoreau

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