Knot Booklet

[Theguywitheyebrows]

I would go with a Bowline, it places the loop at the end of the rope and so would be better for this task.
There are several Bowlines to choose from.

What? In amsteel? No way, splice an eye and the lark's head it to whatever. Amsteel blue (brand, not color-specific) is far too slippery to hold knots with weight.

[Over_That_Way]

If you were in a situation where you were needing to tie amsteel around a fixed point (such as a metal pipe) - and wanted to create an loop in one end from which to run the working end through (similar to a tree strap) - What knot would be best to tie this loop into the end of the amsteel?

1. Bowline?
2. Alpine Butterfy?

These are the two loop-creating knots that I'm most familiar with, I'm just unsure how the force caused by wrapping around an object and then pulling on the knot will determine the best option?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Waterman knot

[Theguywitheyebrows]

Waterman knot

All literature i can find on the waterman knot say it is designed to tie
two pieces of webbing together. For a loop around an anchor pole, that'd hold the weight but then you'd still needa tie amsteel to it. Splice eyes and continuous loops out of amsteel for these purposes. And get a hunk of webbing, way better for trees anyhow.

[GoneSquatchin]

This is fantastic. Great work.

[Over_That_Way]

All literature i can find on the waterman knot say it is designed to tie
two pieces of webbing together. For a loop around an anchor pole, that'd hold the weight but then you'd still needa tie amsteel to it. Splice eyes and continuous loops out of amsteel for these purposes. And get a hunk of webbing, way better for trees anyhow.

That is the primary use. It works very well when needing to join amsteel to amsteel. Granted, I am no pro, I have used it without any slippage.

[Over_That_Way]

Like that.

[Slack Packhiker]

Downloaded the knot book, thank you!

[75RR]

I would go with a Bowline, it places the loop at the end of the rope and so would be better for this task.
There are several Bowlines to choose from.

You can also (though you just asked for a choice between the Bowline and the Alpine Butterfly) use the Figure Eight Loop (page 23, Fig. 28) which also places the loop at the end of the rope.
It can be secured with a Strangle Knot (page 33) or with a Stopper Knot (see page 35)
It is considered to be more secure, hence its widespread use in climbing.

Thanks Phantom Grappler (your comment got away!), GoneSquatchin and Slack Packhiker

[Draketake]

Great work. Thank you for doing this.

[Phantom Grappler]

For amsteel fixed loops I choose alpine butterfly.
And for joining two amsteel ropes I choose a slipped zeppelin bend.
Both of these knots will hold great and resist jamming great.
ABL resists ringloading better than most loops.
Ringloading is like grabbing loop on two sides and pulling in opposite directions.
To make alpine butterfly loop easy to undo insert a strong crushproof smooth toggle into knot before tightening. Then to untie tap toggle out with a mallet or smooth stone.
YMMV Good Luck and HYOH

Oops, Moderators, if I'm off topic, feel free to delete---Phantom..all tied up in knots...
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