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    Tough choices for the vertically challenged.

    So I'm finally ready to move on from the ol' ENO SN and go the upgrade route.

    I'm 5'4". So I'm a borderline midget. (Not really, I got 4" on most midgets, but hey I'll take what I can get.)
    I'm looking at a Blackbird multicam.

    Not sure if I should spring for the double layer? I'm nowhere near the weight limit to need it. More simply for the mosquito factor, this is Minnesota where it's the unofficial state bird. Guess I've not had enough experience in the hammock yet to determine if the SL will fend off the skeeters.

    I'm also just having a hard time deciding whether it's worth getting the XLC for the removable netting & top cover. I don't do winter trips (maybe eventually) but I do some very late fall and early spring trips where it might be nice to have. Just almost seems pointless to have that extra foot length of fabric being as short as I am though.

    Anyone know if the plan on ever offering those features on the regular BB?

    Tough choices for us 'trial sized' folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-9 View Post
    ...I'm also just having a hard time deciding whether it's worth getting the XLC for the removable netting & top cover. I don't do winter trips (maybe eventually) but I do some very late fall and early spring trips where it might be nice to have...
    If it's of any help, AHE makes the Bear Burrito Oven (scroll down) top cover for the original WBBB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    If it's of any help, AHE makes the Bear Burrito Oven (scroll down) top cover for the original WBBB.
    Nice! I'd seen them before but it kind of got lost in the shuffle looking at as much gear as I do. Thanks for the heads up on that.

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    I really like my RidgeRunner (having tried a BB as well). I see the RR is also available in multicam as well.

    Aside from mosquito protection, the other main advantage to a DL hammock may be for people using a pad, since it holds the pad in place better. A disadvantage is weight, if you're concerned about that -- depends on your hiking/hanging priorities.

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    I'm also 5'4" and I couldn't be more happy with my Blackbirds. I've tried 11' hammocks, but for my size they're really overkill - and hardly anybody tells you, that they come with some not so nice features: they're of course heavier than a shorter hammock of a similar build. They need more space to hang. They either decrease tarp coverage or need a larger tarp (which means that you need even more space to hang). If you stick with a smaller tarp, you'll need to hang it closer to the hammock to get adequate coverage, which means less views.

    For larger people or those who feel that they get more comfort from a larger hammock, these factors are negligible. However, if a 10' hammock like the Blackbird works for you, stick with this option.

    Unfortunately, the Blackbird's netting does not seperate from the hammock, and thus cannot be exchanged for a top cover like with the XLC. But as gmcttr said, there are other options. The Bear Burrito Oven is one possibility. If you want more warmth, have a look at the Warbonnet Travel Sock.

    With regards to the double layer: most people on this forum use Permethrin to take care of mosquitos biting through the hammock fabric. A double layer hammock won't guarantee that you won't get bites. They have a harder time getting through two layers, but if you sleep naked or half-naked, it seems that they can still manage. I always wear something, so haven't had this problem. But I occasionally got a bite on my hands. Not sure if they got me through the layers or through the netting, though.

    However, a double layer will give you versatility. I have added some Reflectix between the layers to prevent cold spots (I'm a super cold sleeper, though) even while using an UQ. You can always boost the temperature range of you UQ by using additional insulation between layers. Should you go on a hike where there is a possibility of having to go to ground, you could take a sleeping pad instead of your quilt. Lots of options, really.

    If weight is of a huge concern, though, and you have an UQ, go single.

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    If you really want that 2nd layer for insect protection but want it removable then perhaps go with an UQP. It adds just enough warmth that I use it in the summer to block the breeze and keep my back from getting cold some nights. It also adds just a bit of warmth for fall/winter camping too and protects your UQ from rain splashes.

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    You will be fine with the regular BB 1.1 in a single layer. I use permethrin on the hammock and netting. Keeps bugs away pretty well.
    The single layer hammocks will stretch a bit more. I set mine up a few inches higher than I would a double layer, so that it is not way low by morning.

    If weight is not extremely critical for your set up, use a 1.7 single instead of the 1.1 single. A bit more support and less bug worry. You can do a lot of things to lighten the BBird up and customize to your needs.

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