I appreciate the reply and I read all of your posts. Upon checking the thread again after being away for the weekend you had already withdrawn the item. I was uncertain if this diywintergear was a new vendor/manufacture or if this was an item you made. No worries, my loss. I have been away from hf for a while and new cottage businesses have sprung up. I was doing some research. Again, thank you the replies. I have always enjoyed the hf family.