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    What does your suspension system weigh

    I'm hoping to find a bit of a lighter hammock suspension system. My current system weighs 11 oz. I have 2 Neutrino carabiners, 4 SMC rings, and 2 lengths of the 14' webbing that comes with a BlackBird. (I switched out the triangle rings as I find the SMC rings easier to adjust).
    So, what does your hammock suspension system weigh, and what components are you using?
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    TeeDee's carabiner hitch. Two Treklight carabiners (0.8oz.ea) one SMC ring (0.4 oz,). I tied the head end of the hennessy rope into a "slap strap" and added some amsteel blue to increase it's length. I guess that adds about three ounces or so to the stock weight. When I order a Blackbird, I intend to get Brandon to make the head end line about 15 feet long so I can tie in into a slapstrap.

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    I use TeeDee's suspension method and here.

    1. 25' rope: 1.40 oz
    2. 2 steel toggles: 0.20 oz
    3. 2 42" tree huggers w/6" loop one end: 2.00 oz
    4. Total: 3.60 oz


    The tree huggers are 1.5" seat belt webbing from Strapworks.

    If I substitute dyneema rope for the tree huggers and use the method of inserting sticks under the dyneema tree huggers as explained by Turk somewhere, I can reduce the weight even more to:

    1. 25' rope: 1.40 oz
    2. 2 steel toggles: 0.20 oz
    3. 2 42" tree huggers using dyneema: 0.4 oz
    4. Total: 2.00 oz


    We have simplified the method considerably now and no longer use the tables in TeeDee's write-up and we no longer need to measure the distance between the trees.

    Besides being the lightest suspension system I know of, it is also about the easiest and quickest to use.

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    I wish you hadn't asked, cause then I had to go weigh it.

    Sigh!!


    2 climbers biners + 2 pieces of 1.25" webbing 14' long (after loops sewn in) + 4 ascender rings + 12' dyneema as a ridge line = 1.33 Lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctari View Post
    I wish you hadn't asked, cause then I had to go weigh it.

    Sigh!!


    2 climbers biners + 2 pieces of 1.25" webbing 14' long (after loops sewn in) + 4 ascender rings + 12' dyneema as a ridge line = 1.33 Lbs.
    That's why I never converted my Hennessy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take-a-knee View Post
    That's why I never converted my Hennessy.
    Same here. I'm always reading about these heavy, fancy suspension systems slipping, etc. Just makes me happy I don't have one. Not sure what the carabiners do for anyone. A simple loop in the end of the strap would do the same job at no weight. I just do a lashing on each end and my modified HH is good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctari View Post
    I wish you hadn't asked, cause then I had to go weigh it.

    Sigh!!


    2 climbers biners + 2 pieces of 1.25" webbing 14' long (after loops sewn in) + 4 ascender rings + 12' dyneema as a ridge line = 1.33 Lbs.
    Wow, I know mine weighs a lot less then that. I would weigh it but it is out in the back yard right now and I am getting ready to call it a night and head out to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attroll View Post
    Wow, I know mine weighs a lot less then that. I would weigh it but it is out in the back yard right now and I am getting ready to call it a night and head out to it.
    Yea, mine used to weigh less, but I got tired of having "the perfect hanging spot" & my suspension being 3" - 4" too short. Now I can even hang from the monster trees atop Unaka Mt. I could take the biners off, but the 30 second set up time makes the weight worth it to me, so, , , , , , , , ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiredFeet View Post
    We have simplified the method considerably now and no longer use the tables in TeeDee's write-up and we no longer need to measure the distance between the trees.

    Besides being the lightest suspension system I know of, it is also about the easiest and quickest to use.
    TiredFeet,

    How have you simplified the method and why don't you have to measure the distance between trees anymore?

    I tried TeeDee's method for a while, but I never seemed to get the distance right and was always going back and adjusting the location of the toggles along the line. I really like the idea of a single line suspension, but it didn't click for me so I abandon it.

    -SlowBro

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowBro View Post
    TiredFeet,

    How have you simplified the method and why don't you have to measure the distance between trees anymore?

    I tried TeeDee's method for a while, but I never seemed to get the distance right and was always going back and adjusting the location of the toggles along the line. I really like the idea of a single line suspension, but it didn't click for me so I abandon it.

    -SlowBro
    After much use and reflection and study, we decided that getting the hammock centered within less than 1" between the trees and with the suspension line angle off the tree within 1 degree wasn't really necessary.

    TeeDee being the Physicist and Mathematician that he is, just naturally went that route when he developed the method. He likes to measure and get things JUST RIGHT.

    Well, after much discussion, he finally realized that having the hammock centered within less than an inch wasn't really necessary and that if it was off by 6" to 12", so what? Well actually, it wasn't all that much discussion

    Also, we sat down and examined the table and decided that if the hammock was off center by 6" and the suspension angle at the tree wasn't exactly known within 1 degree, then getting the slack in the suspension rope wasn't really all that critical either.

    So given that we went back to the angle table, and decided that if we just used between 2" to 3" of slack, that was good enough.

    So, we now just casually pace off the span and tie a bowline on one end for that distance.

    Then go to the other tree and pull the suspension line tight so that it is horizontal. Now I don't mean really, ultra-tight using the most force possible. Just pull it tight with little sag. Then back off 2" to 3" and tie another bowline on that end with the end of the bowline loop at the selected spot in the rope.

    On both bowlines, use a bight to go up out of the rabbit hole, around the tree and back into the rabbit hole. Makes tying the bowline easy and undoing it easy.

    You mentioned that you were repositioning the toggles on the line.

    You should never have to reposition the toggles. The only reason to reposition the toggles is to change the length of the ridge line not the position of the ridge line on the suspension line.

    Using the above much abbreviated method, you will have the hammock centered as much as you want it and with the suspension line angle at the tree between about 25 degrees and 30 degrees. If you want more than 30 degrees, increase the slack let out to between 3" and 4".

    If you want the hammock off center for any reason, just decide which end should be the shorter end and tie the bowlines such that that end has the shortest distance from a toggle to the tree.

    So to summarize:

    1. pace off the distance, no need to be ultra-precise - we have always done this anyway to make sure that we have picked trees with a reasonable span.
    2. tie a bowline on one end so the end of the bowline loop is one-half the tree span from the middle of the rope,
    3. pull the suspension rope horizontal at the other tree, and
    4. let out 2" to 3" slack.
    5. tie bowline with selected spot at end of bowline loop,
    6. hang hammock from toggles.


    We find this easy and quick and we don't have to struggle with the full weight of the hammock and any quilts, over covers or under covers while hanging the suspension line.

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