As far a hammocks go I'll find out in person in a few weeks. But I will say that up until last year we have never had a problem with hanging tarps from trees. Last year it rained non-stop and even snowed ice pellets and we really had to have tarps. Now Rod, who used to be the DNR ranger at Turkey Run retired 2 years ago and we now have a new one with a bit of a Napoleon complex. Came up to us 2 years ago and made us turn our radio completely off when we had it very low and no one was camping near us, it was during quiet hours I admit. This was not a problem wed or thurs nights as there is really no one there. Familys get there fridays usually so I could see why. Our solution to that is night hikes through the treacherous waterways and a goretex bivy and spending the night in one of the sandstone caves.