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    Aluminum or stainless Dutchware?

    Hi Dutch,

    I hope I'm not being sacrilegious, but have you ever considered offering your various "do-dads" in Aluminum or stainless vs. Titanium? The Titanium stuff is so cool, sexy, great for the ultralight hikers... But for folks who do not need the ultra-light advantage, Other metals might be an attractive alternative. $18 for a set of Ti Dutch clips is a great deal and a true value, a set of Stainless Dutch clips at $9 might sell too (just an example)...

    I'm just a noob so please don't take this suggestion the wrong way
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    There is no way a stainless version would be half price of titanium, aluminum wouldn't be strong enough with the size to strength ratio, material costs are not much different in sheet material if you know where to shop. The Labor is where it is at, material may vary 1 or 2 dollars for the size of those and at the price Dutch sells them for I wouldn't even turn on our laser or waterjet to spend the time to cut them. I have the means to easily make everything Dutch sells, it is such a good deal from Dutch I buy it and happy to support the guy doing it. I would buy the Ti and be very happy, I have Dutch bling on all my setups

    I did however machine my own FJR risers before there was such a thing on the market

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    It isn't a bad idea, but have you seen the amount of products I offer? I am barely keeping up with it and to think of doubling it boggles my mind. However for Dutch Clips you are in luck, I started with aluminum ones and you can still buy them at JRB for $13...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It isn't a bad idea, but have you seen the amount of products I offer. I am barely keeping up with it and to think of doubling it boggles my mind. However for Dutch Clips, I start with aluminum ones and you can still buy them at JRB...
    http://www.jacksrbetter.com/shop/dutch-clips/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It isn't a bad idea, but have you seen the amount of products I offer? I am barely keeping up with it and to think of doubling it boggles my mind. However for Dutch Clips you are in luck, I started with aluminum ones and you can still buy them at JRB for $13...
    http://www.jacksrbetter.com/shop/dutch-clips/
    Thanks for the consideration Dutch. You've got great stuff, we all appreciate the support you have for the community. I'll pickup a pair of the aluminum at JRB, but still get a pair of the sexy Titanium from you. The aluminum will go to my grand kids so I don't have to worry about them losing them 😉
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRpilot View Post
    ...so I don't have to worry about them losing them ��
    Insert Dutch Clip in tree strap end loop, hand stitch a couple of stitches through the loop close to the dutch clip to lock it in place. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    Insert Dutch Clip in tree strap end loop, hand stitch a couple of stitches through the loop close to the dutch clip to lock it in place. Problem solved.
    Great idea. If I ever get any I'll make sure to do that.

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    Cheap alternatives for kids or after loss

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    Insert Dutch Clip in tree strap end loop, hand stitch a couple of stitches through the loop close to the dutch clip to lock it in place. Problem solved.
    This is the wisest thing to do and people have been doing it for years ever since Dutch first introduced his first aluminum clips. Before that people sewed in their carabiners which inherently stayed in place better but still got lost easily by kids. Climbing carabiners can sometimes be purchased in volume for about $4 each but weight at least twice as much as Dutch Clips. Kids and some adults will lose everything especially small items, carry a spare or know knots and hitches such as MSH.
    Primary cost in this hardware is in labor and shipping this is why Ti makes sense. Personally I am frustrated that no major climbing company mass produces a Ti 25 kN carabiner for multiple purpose (due to rope size and price point is my guess). RL carabiner by Dutch is really useful but limited.

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    FWIW, I like the aluminum Dutch clips better. The gap at the bottom is just a bit smaller, so they can be hooked onto a 7/64" whoopie sling for transport and not slip off. This doesn't affect the way they hang a hammock, though. There may be other ways in which the ti clips are better. I suspect they are stronger, but the aluminum ones are plenty strong enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    Insert Dutch Clip in tree strap end loop, hand stitch a couple of stitches through the loop close to the dutch clip to lock it in place. Problem solved.
    Nice... Thanks... Its a great idea....

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