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    critique my no-hardware suspension

    Noob here so this may be a naive question. I've got a gathered end hammock with continuous loops, tree straps (only one eye) and whoopie slings. Thought I'd try hanging hardware free, here's how:
    1.Larks head a whoopie sling to the hammock loop
    2.Wrap a tree strap around a tree and feed the free end of the strap through the strap's eye
    3. Attach the free end of the strap to the eye loop of the whoopie with a sheet bend
    4. Repeat on other side (you see I'm not a total noob)
    5. Adjust whoopies
    6. Hang

    Pros
    No hardware, so less weight/expense, and nothing small to lose.
    Easy enough; one knot that I can tie by feel if needed.
    No issues with the sheet bend from webbing to amsteel so far, but this was not overnight nor in harsh conditions.

    Cons
    Adjusting a whoopie means loosening the Larks head so it takes a little longer (Dutch's whoopie hooks seem to be a lightweight solution to this but I don't have em).
    Untying the sheet bends could be easier. They don't jam, probably because the amsteel is slick, but I might try a marlin spike hitch with a stick next time, seems easier to take down.
    I'm not sure if doing the webbing around the tree in this way will be too much stress for the stitching in the webbing over time.

    Any thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!

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    I do something but with soft shackles, nothing but amsteel and a tree strap.

    Works fine. Been using the last year with my day hike hammock.
    Problem with what you describes is adjusting the whoopie as you mentioned.

    Easier to use a soft shackle to atrach the whoopie to the loops and the strap, then adjusting them is easy.
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    The marlin spike hitch (msh) for whoopie to tree strap would definitely make it easier to adjust. Another thing that would make it simpler is to lose the loops and use the whoopie sling instead. You may need some kind of drip string to prevent water running into your hammock... tie a little piece if absorbant cloth or rope to the whoopie, near the hammock and you'll be set.

    How is the webbing loop stitched? I have an x in a box bartacked into my webbing and it has held up to about a year and a half of use, and the stitching is scruffy to say the least :s

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    @ratdog: soft shackles are great! Just made 2 of them and I'll give them a try connecting the whoopies to the hammock tomorrow.

    @craige: I got the webbing from Dutchgear, it is stitched with 4 lines of what looks like double thread z-pattern stitching, but I am sewing machine illiterate that is just what it looks like to me. Do you mean remove the loops and thread the whoopie sling through where the loops go? Seems like the whoopie slings would need to be permanently attached to the hammock if I wanted the adjustment to be easy, but maybe I didn't understand you correctly with this.

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    An arrow toggle costs like .35.... not much to be saved $$$ wise.
    MSH's are easy to tie and quick.

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    When faced with a lack of hardware, I use a slipping becket. Credit goes to Derek, he featured it from his sketchbook on the ultimate hang Facebook page a while back. It's come in VERY handy several times, not to mention it's simple to tie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttysquirrel View Post
    An arrow toggle costs like .35.... not much to be saved $$$ wise.
    MSH's are easy to tie and quick.

    ...and using a MSH with a toggle adds another very quick adjustment along the length of the webbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipsissewa View Post
    ...and using a MSH with a toggle adds another very quick adjustment along the length of the webbing.
    +1 to this. The major issue I see with the original setup described is if you are hanging from trees that are close together and also not very thick you're locked into using the loop at the end of the webbing which you could have (depending on the length of your treestraps) 3-7 feet on each side of webbing hanging off the tree. If your trees are only 12-15 feet apart and your hammock is 10 feet long you aren't going to easily be able to hang your hammock there.

    With some type of method to attach the whoopie sling to the webbing anywhere along the length of the webbing, you increase the versatility.

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    With the becket you don't even need a whoopie. Webbing to the loop through the gathered end. Adjust like rings, then tie off. One less component. Not saying this is better or worse, just laying out what I've done.
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    Good idea jhunter. Simpler the better.

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