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    Dartless synthetic underquilt design....??????????????

    one more question about underquilts.............is there a way to make a synthetic underquilt without cutting "darts" into the insulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebo View Post
    one more question about underquilts.............is there a way to make a synthetic underquilt without cutting "darts" into the insulation?
    What type of hammock do you have? If it's a bridge style hammock, the underquilt construction becomes trivial as it is just a rectangle of the size you desire.

    Have you taken a look at the DIY KickAssQuilt instructions for details. I don't believe there are any darts in it. Don't quote me on that as I haven't reviewed the directions in detail.

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    I have a DIY speer hammock, and yes I have looked at the KA quilt plan----he uses darts, but they are on the side instead of at the ends like most quilts. I would like to avoid darts, because in my experiance, they tend to pull apart and seperate, leaving cold spots. (I had this happen with a sleeping quilt I made) I would like to keep the insulation all in one piece if at all possible.

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    if you are making a 1/2 or similar you could probably get away without darts. bu i dont know
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    I have made multiple quilts (used as both TQ/UQ) using synthetic insulation.
    My sewing skills are suspect at best, so I never put any darts in my quilts and have never had any issues.
    As far as construction, here is a link to a website here
    KAQ instruction are helpful also. Just ignore the dart section and shape your quilt as you wish.
    hope that helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebo View Post
    I have a DIY speer hammock, and yes I have looked at the KA quilt plan----he uses darts, but they are on the side instead of at the ends like most quilts. I would like to avoid darts, because in my experiance, they tend to pull apart and seperate, leaving cold spots. (I had this happen with a sleeping quilt I made) I would like to keep the insulation all in one piece if at all possible.
    Depending on the length of your underquilt, couldn't you just cut an appropriate shape in the flat materials to approximate the 3D shape when it will be installed? Imagine creating a cone from a piece of paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianWillan View Post
    Depending on the length of your underquilt, couldn't you just cut an appropriate shape in the flat materials to approximate the 3D shape when it will be installed? Imagine creating a cone from a piece of paper.

    Cheers

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    The problem with covering a hammock is that it's a compound curve. It's curving in two, perpendicular directions. The only way to cover it, without any gathers, is to remove some material - that's where the darts come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryW View Post
    The problem with covering a hammock is that it's a compound curve. It's curving in two, perpendicular directions. The only way to cover it, without any gathers, is to remove some material - that's where the darts come in.

    Jerry
    what weight Climashield UQ (and at what temps) are you using Jerry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryW View Post
    The problem with covering a hammock is that it's a compound curve. It's curving in two, perpendicular directions. The only way to cover it, without any gathers, is to remove some material - that's where the darts come in.

    Jerry
    It just dawned on me why you advocate darts...
    I was looking at your pic gallery and noticed your hammock is a HH clone.
    Darting would be very helpful around single point pull outs (like a HH has). The single point creates a very sharp angle that a non-darted UQ would have troubles staying snug against.
    Non of my non-darted UQs have been used on a single point. blackbirds use a double point that eliminates the sharp angle and my DIY have no pull outs at all.

    So, IMO, darts are un-necessary unless your using a hammock that uses a single pull out (like a Hennessy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by animalcontrol View Post
    what weight Climashield UQ (and at what temps) are you using Jerry?
    I'm using Climashield Combat with Momentum90 for the fabric. It's some that I had left over from a top quilt I made a couple of years ago. In a tent () the top quilt was only good to mid-50's for me. In a hammock, with that top quilt and a Combat underquilt, I've been warm in the low 40's so far. Testing will continue as the temps drop this fall.

    Quote Originally Posted by animalcontrol View Post
    It just dawned on me why you advocate darts...
    I was looking at your pic gallery and noticed your hammock is a HH clone.
    Darting would be very helpful around single point pull outs (like a HH has). The single point creates a very sharp angle that a non-darted UQ would have troubles staying snug against.
    Non of my non-darted UQs have been used on a single point. blackbirds use a double point that eliminates the sharp angle and my DIY have no pull outs at all.

    So, IMO, darts are un-necessary unless your using a hammock that uses a single pull out (like a Hennessy)
    I'm really anxious to see a BB in person. Would the ultra flat lay more closely resemble a bridge hammock, as far as underquilts are concerned?

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