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    Nevermind, posting in the wrong thread again
    Last edited by Coffee; 09-28-2009 at 15:09.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    The down mats look great... those mats I showed are truly the limit of my price range... maybe I will have to settle for ccf...

    I am planning more for late fall and early spring.. not much below freezing for my liking yet. But I will always have my ccf as backup if I need it
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    I know I that I will be using the SPE, I just need to know can the SPE 4x4, loaded with the wings, using one of these pads, get me down to 30*?
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    just ordered an exped synth pump mat myself -

    http://www.backcountryedge.com/exped-sleeping-pads.aspx had the best price and if you register you get a coupon code for 12% off

    I got the synth 9 dlx mat for 92$ shipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asimmons4 View Post
    I know I that I will be using the SPE, I just need to know can the SPE 4x4, loaded with the wings, using one of these pads, get me down to 30*?
    the R4 insulated inflatable big agnes mats are rated for 15*

    i got the exped R6 since I'm a cold sleeper usually and have no doubt i'll be warm enough with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lori View Post
    Light, thick, or self inflating - pick two.

    Sorry.

    I went with a NeoAir medium, 2.5" thick fully inflated, not self inflating but... 13 oz and packs to the size of a Nalgene.

    I have yet to meet a self inflater that truly self inflates - the thermarest I used to use still needed blowing up. Expeds have pumps, don't they?
    What has your experience been thus far with the NeoAir? Does it "taco" around you like the other vertical-baffled pads can? Does it provide a more flat surface to sleep on? I have a large (25"W x 78" L). Also, if you aren't inflating it all the way (say about 1/3 to 1/2) is it extremely "crinkly"? The only way I can seem to tolerate my NeoAir now is if it is fully inflated, otherwise the crinkling drives me nuts!

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    Has anyone used the non-insulated BA Air Core. I already have one and was thinking about using it as a leg and foot pad along with an UQ. It would also be tolerable if I have to go to ground. It's heavier (22 oz.) than the neo-air (14 oz.) but about 1/3 the cost. I have wanted a Neo-air since they were announced but now that I am no longer planning to sleep on the ground, I can't see spending the extra dough for something that is a contingency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottybdiving View Post
    Has anyone used the non-insulated


    Sorry, but that combination of words cracks me up. You want to use something non-insulated for leg insulation? I would go with an insulated pad if I were you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustardman View Post


    Sorry, but that combination of words cracks me up. You want to use something non-insulated for leg insulation? I would go with an insulated pad if I were you
    Yeah, it does read kind of funny. I suppose since the "standard" BA Air Core is just an air mattress, maybe it would not provide the necessary barrier. Even on the ground they are only rated to 35* vs 15* for the insulated. The insulated are only 2 oz and $30 more than the "standard" Air Core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak52580 View Post
    What has your experience been thus far with the NeoAir? Does it "taco" around you like the other vertical-baffled pads can? Does it provide a more flat surface to sleep on? I have a large (25"W x 78" L). Also, if you aren't inflating it all the way (say about 1/3 to 1/2) is it extremely "crinkly"? The only way I can seem to tolerate my NeoAir now is if it is fully inflated, otherwise the crinkling drives me nuts!
    Experimented with the NeoAir in a WBBB. For a full length pad the NeoAir(66"size) was nice if partially deflated. It followed the curve of the hammock without wrinkles along both the length and width axis. Not sure how much loss of R value occurs with partial deflating. Enough that I had a cool butt/hip area. Adding a 1/8" ccf under it warmed it up. Problem was then had no ccf to run cross wise to keep the shoulders warm. For light and compact on warmer nights personal preference for the ProLite X-Small (torso pad) and the thin ccf. Lighter, warmer and more compact package. Crinkling noise has not been an issue in keeping me up or waking me up.
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